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To: ransomnote
This war is very telling.

It is very telling about us in a negative way:

1. When we do not have/see a threat of force, we will walk all over you if our economic interests collide.

2. We no longer see Russia as a world power, a peer, or even near peer.

Irony:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/solomon-islands-says-wont-allow-chinese-military-base-knows-ramification-2022-04-01/

The Solomon Islands worked out a deal with the Chinese. For them it would have been economically beneficial to let the Chinese in. But under pressure from the US, Australia and New Zealand, they backed off. And this is ***right now*** while we tell the Russians to accept us playing in their back yard.

Did we tolerate Russian missiles in Cuba?
Did we tolerate Grenada building a huge runway and getting Soviet support?
Did we tolerate Nicaragua being aligned with the Soviets years past?

But since I mention China, they too prove my point. We would never dare do with China today what we are doing with Russia, specifically Taiwan or the Spratly Islands. Why? Because the economic interests want us to get along with them ($1.15 per hour wage for a factory workers - no EPA, no OSHA, avoid some taxes) and they are a near peer.

Yes, China where you have oppression of Uygers, Christians, forced labor, a single party communist rule, censorship, political prisoners...That's an “ old friend” where we see no wrong. Just like we see no wrong In Saudi Arabia, where you have a kingdom, no free speech, oppression of gays (they get thrown from buildings), women, and they gave the order to have a US resident working for the US news media to be hacked apart alive, in the NATO country of Turkey: Kashoggi.

Our interests in this conflict are PURELY economic. Ukraine is a former Soviet Republic, not a member of NATO, has a huge ethnic Russian population, their government is corrupt, it's hardly a democracy nor has free speech, they have entire units that had a Nazi ideology (now just starting to become known in the US)... And we are talking about “sovereignty” and “democracy.”

In summary: we lied, we're supporting shit heads, Russia has a viable security argument, we have no contractual security agreement with Ukraine... We are there for money (Ukraine is an economic diamond in the rough), and all the human rights, sovereignty, democracy talk are just a post decision rationalizations that do not even make any sense but get the masses behind the decisions made for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgfaKxtzu90

13 posted on 04/04/2022 2:20:34 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

Letting China (at least the current regime) set up shop right next to Australia is a bad idea. Letting Russia take Ukraine is a bad idea. Both of these are toxic, at least in their current incarnation.


18 posted on 04/04/2022 2:26:42 PM PDT by marron
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