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War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless
Greenwald Substack ^ | 02/27/2022 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 03/08/2022 10:37:56 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski

In the weeks leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, those warning of the possible dangers of U.S. involvement were assured that such concerns were baseless. The prevailing line insisted that nobody in Washington is even considering let alone advocating that the U.S. become militarily involved in a conflict with Russia.

That the concern was based not on the belief that the U.S. would actively seek such a war, but rather on the oft-unintended consequences of being swamped with war propaganda and the high levels of tribalism, jingoism and emotionalism that accompany it, was ignored. It did not matter how many wars one could point to in history that began unintentionally, with unchecked, dangerous tensions spiraling out of control. Anyone warning of this obviously dangerous possibility was met with the “straw man” cliché: you are arguing against a position that literally nobody in D.C. is defending.

Less than a week into this war, that can no longer be said. One of the media's most beloved members of Congress, Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), on Friday explicitly and emphatically urged that the U.S. military be deployed to Ukraine to establish a “no-fly zone” — i.e., American soldiers would order Russia not to enter Ukrainian airspace and would directly attack any Russian jets or other military units which disobeyed. That would, by definition and design, immediately ensure that the two countries with by far the planet's largest nuclear stockpiles would be fighting one another, all over Ukraine.

Kinzinger's fantasy that Russia would instantly obey U.S. orders due to rational calculations is directly at odds with all the prevailing narratives about Putin having now become an irrational madman who has taken leave of his senses — not just metaphorically but medically — and is prepared to risk everything for conquest and legacy…

(Excerpt) Read more at greenwald.substack.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: bidensbuttgirls; chechens; chechnya; propaganda; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraine; vladthebloviator; vladtheimploder; war; zottherussiantrolls
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1 posted on 03/08/2022 10:37:56 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski
I can't wait to start getting first-hand combat reports from all the Freepers gung-ho to join The Pelosi Battalion and fight in Ukraine.

For the moment, I'm sure they are all busy packing and arranging their flights to Poland, on their way to the front lines.

But in a week or so, they should be face to face with the evil Russkis.


2 posted on 03/08/2022 10:41:34 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I can't wait to start getting first-hand combat reports from all the Freepers gung-ho to join The Pelosi Battalion and fight in Ukraine.

I'm glad to see you now have new material after playing the last one to death for a week. Your creativity is absolutely shit, and I am not sure the whole "Pelosi brigade" is going to convince any FReepers to suddenly become Putinists though, but at least it's NEW.

3 posted on 03/08/2022 10:51:18 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

This is a war in Europe, let Germany, France, Italy defend the Euorozone, send their troops and planes to the frontlines.

Not our fight, amen


4 posted on 03/08/2022 10:52:42 AM PST by baclava
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To: baclava

Agree. But they don’t want a war.

The instigators are here in the States.

Not our fight, Amen and AMEN.


5 posted on 03/08/2022 10:56:37 AM PST by katie didit
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To: Travis McGee
The real danger is not that Americans will fall for pro-war propaganda. It's clear to me that Blinken, like Obama, likes to talk big and do next to nothing. That's the main reason the war started: incompetence, not malevolence. He left Putin no non-humiliating way to back down while doing nothing materially to support Ukraine. Typical State Department/globalist "muh multilateral institutions" bullcrap.

Putin took his measure and acted accordingly. They all thought Ukraine would lose quickly and now Zelenskyy is embarrassing them, which is why they keep offering him a "government in exile" while they can get back to the important business of surrendering to Iran.

Here's what's going to happen:

a) Ukraine stalls the Russian attack on Kiev. Putin will be pissed and escalate against Ukraine or Poland to cut off weapons.

b) Russian slowly grinds down Kiev and starts moving West. The Poles will panic and Putin will escalate to cut-off Western arms supplies.

There isn't any way this is not going to escalate. We can seize the initiative and decide how and then push negotiations, or we can risk uncontrolled escalation. My guess is we'll get the latter because we're governed by incompetent, corrupt morons.

6 posted on 03/08/2022 10:58:52 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Another war monger heard from.


7 posted on 03/08/2022 11:02:10 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Proudly called a Stooge of Putin or its equivalent in the past few days by many a Freeper. Putin Bad working as well as orange man bad with many who are beating their war drums.


8 posted on 03/08/2022 11:05:19 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Excellent read!

I thought this part was revealing:

It is genuinely hard to overstate how overwhelming the unity and consensus in U.S. political and media circles is. It is as close to a unanimous and dissent-free discourse as anything in memory, certainly since the days following 9/11. Marco Rubio sounds exactly like Bernie Sanders, and Lindsay Graham has no even minimal divergence from Nancy Pelosi. Every word broadcast on CNN or printed in The New York Times about the conflict perfectly aligns with the CIA and Pentagon's messaging. And U.S. public opinion has consequently undergone a radical and rapid change; while recent polling had shown large majorities of Americans opposed to any major U.S. role in Ukraine, a new Gallup poll released on Friday found that “52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests” with almost no partisan division...

So, after America's non-stop multi-year anti-Russian propaganda barrage, "52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests" - how nice. Anybody want to guess how many could actually name a single "U.S. vital interest" that is being threatened?

Based on what I'm seeing on FR, the number is close to zero - just lots of rubes, jumping on the Deep State-approved 'band wagon to nowhere'. Or potentially, a band wagon headed for a rendezvous with a mushroom cloud...

9 posted on 03/08/2022 11:07:19 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: pierrem15

I firmly believe the Russian escalation will be heavy us of thermobaric weapons inside Kiev. Less damaging to infrastructure but incredibly deadly to humans.


10 posted on 03/08/2022 11:08:10 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: pierrem15

11 posted on 03/08/2022 11:08:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pierrem15

Statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland in connection with the statement by the US Secretary of State on providing airplanes to Ukraine

The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Ramstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.

https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/statement-of-the-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-connection-with-the-statement-by-the-us-secretary-of-state-on-providing-airplanes-to-ukraine


12 posted on 03/08/2022 11:09:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Let us know how it goes, after you get to Ukraine.

I’m SURE that you’re not merely a Keyboard Kommando, but the real deal.


13 posted on 03/08/2022 11:10:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Dude, are you off your meds or something, because your comment is idiotic and and just plain dumb.

Another armchair general full of emotion and feelings that needs a new crisis to focus on and vent over now that your beloved COVID scam is circling the drain.

Put your emotions and dumbass opinions aside and go back to binge watching “The Walking Dead”.

What a Maroon.


14 posted on 03/08/2022 11:10:48 AM PST by Qui is (First, never apologize to the enemy, and second, never forget that Biden spews and Harris swallows. )
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To: frithguild; Who is John Galt?

15 posted on 03/08/2022 11:11:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: circlecity; Qui is
Another war monger heard from.

You really can't use the "war monger" designation for your opponents on FR after it was Russia that actually did all the invading, despite assurances and mockery from the Putinists that that would never happen.

16 posted on 03/08/2022 11:12:32 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Travis McGee
Let us know how it goes, after you get to Ukraine.

Why don't we both go? Me with the Ukrainians, and you with the Russians. I warn you though, mass homosexual rape in the Russian army is a documented problem. They might see you and get all lusty!

17 posted on 03/08/2022 11:13:56 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Keep pushing for WW3 to show everyone how much you hate Putin.


18 posted on 03/08/2022 11:14:03 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Qui is
Same old pro-war propaganda, a hundred years later.

Just update the pre-Iraq-War "babies thrown out of incubators" to Ukraine.

And we still fall for it.


19 posted on 03/08/2022 11:14:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

They all are. Didn’t you know that?


20 posted on 03/08/2022 11:14:14 AM PST by Manuel OKelley
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