Putin has no reason whatsoever to be concerned lest Ukraine join NATO as a full "article 5" partner.
Posted on 03/02/2022 4:11:39 AM PST by MtnClimber
The Russia-Ukraine war will likely end in one of three ways: Russia will annex all of Ukraine and reincorporate it into Russia; Russia will install a puppet regime in Kyiv and exercise effective political control over Ukraine's foreign policy; or Russia will militarily occupy parts of Ukraine and suffer the resistance of an insurgency that may be armed and supported by outside powers. Regardless of which scenario plays out, this is and will be a tragic and unnecessary war — entirely preventable, if only the Europeans and Americans had heeded the warnings of George F. Kennan about the likely unintended consequences of NATO expansion.
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Kennan during his long career as a diplomat and historian (he died in March 2005 at the age of 101), wrote several books and numerous articles about Russia, including historical works on Russian diplomacy in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and Soviet foreign policy during the Cold War. He had perhaps the most important qualities of a diplomat, statesman, and historian: he was able to look at events through a Russian/Soviet lens, to see things from a Russian/Soviet perspective.
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Kennan used that insight in the late 1990s to warn his countrymen and Europe against expanding NATO in the wake of the West's victory in the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Clinton administration had made it known that NATO would be inviting Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic to join the alliance. Kennan's first public pronouncement on NATO expansion was made in October 1996 in an event held at Columbia University's Harriman Institute. He decried efforts to expand NATO as a "strategic blunder of potentially epic proportions."
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Putin's crazy invasion of Ukraine is going to usher in a whole new group of NATO candidates.
“You are very naive and silly if you think Russia could look at Ukraine in NATO as anything less than an existential threat...”
I don’t give a F what Putin wants. You do!
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Ukraine was not scheduled to be a member of NATO. So there is absolutely no justification for invading Ukraine other than territorial conquest.
You think “NATO BAD” only because it blocks Putin’s military expansion. You’re a KGB tool.
I disagree 1000%.
If the “cold war” was truly over, then the military organization that was on side A of the coin should have been disbanded and a true east/west peace could have been easier to achieve.
Russia was threatened by the expanding former-foe NATO
But like all bureaucracy, it eats itself alive when no longer relevant—just like much of the US government itself
There is no need for
NPR
USPS
DOE
Dept of Housing and Urban Develop
that it the TIP of the iceberg my friend of bureaucracy that serves ZERO F’ING purpose at all. postal needs and services can easily be absorbed within the private sector and some sensible laws/regulations to make sure legal mail etc.. gets to the recipient. But does the DOE serve any positive purpose—nope.
When was the last time you heard of a government agency/commission/organization just get deactivated/defunded because it no longer serves it’s purpose.
hence, what should have happened to NATO by the end of the 20th century.
but like wikipedia itself says:
In the 1990s, the organization extended its activities into political and humanitarian situations that had not formerly been NATO concerns
If the war is truly over, then theres no need for the military alliance....and if the war isn’t over....then, well, here we are ukraine/Russia 2022.
Nations ask to join NATO and are voted in. Nations are invaded and forced to join Russia.
You cannot appreciate the difference because you are “1000%” biased.
Putin has no reason whatsoever to be concerned lest Ukraine join NATO as a full "article 5" partner.
The Ukraine government is in bed with the anti-Trump U.S. State Department.
Watch the first impeachment of Trump (it’s on Cspan). You’ll come away wondering why so many U.S. government employees, their family members, and George Soros are so heavily involved in the Ukraine government.
I think it’s obvious by now to all from your posts that you aren’t capable of critical thinking or providing intelligent responses that contribute to the community here.
you should try the DU.
Have you read the article?
I paste my first comment to someone else on this board:
I suggest you read the entire article thoroughly—quite fascinating.
In reality, there was no longer a need for NATO after the USSR fell, and the organization should have disbanded or significantly wound down most of its operations.
The alliance lost it’s purpose and use. Here we are today.
from the wikipedia NATO page itself:
In the 1990s, the organization extended its activities into political and humanitarian situations that had not formerly been NATO concerns
Another word for NATO is the USA.
If NATO cannot suck on the teet of America, it does not exist.
I did read the article.
I feel that Kennan assumed - mistakenly - that all future Russian leaders would become hardliners like Stalin and Brezhnev.
Instead, if Gorbachev had held onto power, or if Yeltsin had not been an alcoholic, the future of Russia would have been much different.
Without Gorbachev, we would still be dealing with the old Soviet Union.
There is something really weird about all of this If Soros supports something, I am usually against it.
I am seeing propaganda everywhere with this.
Just this morning there was a half hour radio show with some guy talking about his poor refugee mother who spent 5 days in what was usually a 10 hour ride to flee the country with 8 people.
remember:
If you dont trust the narrative the media gave us for covid, then don’t trust the narrative they are giving in this war.
Amazingly, in this information age, it’s impossible to get accurate and real information.
I knew more about the situation in the gulf war when i used to log on to prodigy and their “war” updates.
My point exactly
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How dare you offer an explanation for how we could have avoided killing so many people. Putin is a mad-man and is solely responsible for his actions. Just because we poked him with a stick is no reason for Putin to bite like he did. Stop trying to justify the murderous tyrranical comminist [even if he forbids the communist party in Russia].
We prefer ignorance here on FR.
Putin has made his desire to restore the USSR clear. That is why Georgia and Ukraine wanted to be part of NATO. But Ukraine could not be part of NATO last year because of territorial disputes and the need for all 30 members of NATO to accept its application. Putin’s excuse was asinine. His justification to destroy a nation based on false history channeled Hitler and Stalin.
If the USSR had not allied with the Nazis in 1939 to carve up Eastern and Central Europe, there would have been no invasion of the USSR. Now Putin is repeating this error, placing Romania, Slovakia, and Hungary on his imperial borders.
What is that, a tiny thumbnail map of Hitler and Stalin dividing up Poland? What does that have to do with today?
What does your maps of Hilter’s invasion of the USSR in 1941 have to do with today? Stalin full intended to head west after the Allies and Germany exhausted themselves, but the Boheimian Corporal beat him to the punch. You’re feeding the lie that Russia has to be paranoid when they’ve invaded their enemies plenty. And they’re the only one invading others NOW!
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