Posted on 02/27/2022 1:23:27 PM PST by PJ-Comix
Will the Russian military go on strike because of the events in Ukraine? In some ways they have ALREADY gone on strike. The typical Russian soldier has NO motivation to go above and beyond the call of duty. Instead they are doing the least needed to just get by. An example of this was in a video I saw of a Ukrainian driving his car up to a Russian tank that had run out of fuel on a country road. He had sort of friendly banter with the Russian tanker and even some joking around. It was very obvious that the Russian tanker wasn't in the least bit concerned about the success of his army's military operations. Like a lot of other Russians sent to Ukraine, he just wanted to get out of the whole crazy situation alive and go home.
This attitude is probably spreading like wildfire among the other Russians in Ukraine. I've seen more video evidence of this including a captured teenage Russian soldier who cried while being castigated by the Ukrainians.
So do the Russians in the military want to DIE because of one apparent madman, namely Vladimir Putin? Even if no one attempts to actually overthrow him, they could simply NOT follow orders. And that goes not just for the lowly soldiers but his top generals as well.
Let's take it to the extreme. We know that Putin ordered his military on high nuclear alert. Let's assume that things continue going south for the Russians in Ukraine and Putin goes full out bonkers and orders a nuclear strike. Okay, what happens then? Putin can't personally push a button to send off the nukes. Military personnel actually have to follow orders. However, since it is obvious even to the Russians that such an order is INSANE and could lead to a nuclear conflagration that could lead to the end of world civilization as well as Russia itself, do you think such an order would be carried out? Probably not. Or at least let us hope not. Most likely a general on the receiving end of the order would come up with some excuse like, "Gee whiz! I tried to carry out your (insane) order but there was a cyber attack that prevented me from doing so." Likewise, the Russian military also cease operations in Russia. Driving a tank or missile carrier? Rather than be destroyed by an invisible drone above, better to just walk away.
BTW, we already saw something of the military go on strike in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed. Remember the scenes of tanks sent out to their Russian Federation building after Gorbachev was deposed? They traveled a bit in that direction and just stopped. The soldiers then just hung out with the protestors.
End result of a general strike by the Russian military? Nobody obeys Putin's orders and if he is lucky he is arrested. One interesting outcome is that Putin is then turned over to the Ukrainians for a War Crimes Trial. That would make for some incredible TV ratings but perhaps I am getting ahead of myself.
We already see the outlines of a strike by individual Russian soldiers in the Ukraine so the question is will we also see a general strike EVERYWHERE by the Russian military in which they simply decline to follow Putin's orders?
Fighting on Russian land is one thing.
Fighting on foreign soil is a whole other thing.
Putin’s generals right now (especially after going on high nuclear alert) are probably thinking: “Just plain...NUTS!!!”
NATOs response would be to an invasion of a NATO member nation. Ukraine is not a member nation. The most we should expect is for the EU to provide Ukraine military, financial, and humanitarian aid. But don’t expect that to happen.
Look where we are: discussing merits of sniffing glue... Isn’t it lovely?
Here’s some real thought bubblegum. It’s been noted by several very different parties that Russia has been sending in its military *dregs*, very green soldiers, shoddy and ill maintained equipment, even Chechen forces, into Ukraine.
Of course there are some elite forces, like Spetsnaz, but far too few and with indifferent purposes.
In the US, such military incompetency could only be achieved with something like Obama inner city shock troops led by militarily ignorant ideologues. Democrats have long been so contemptuous of US military personnel “Too dumb to sell fast food”, that they took to heart its corollary, that if you gave inner city gang bangers guns, led by Generalissimo Ocasio-Cortez, they would be just as effective as trained soldiers.
In any event, something is up. For Russia to deploy its dregs means that its real army is up to something else.
Putin became so upset with The Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is the senior staff college of the Russian Armed Forces, that typically does war planning, that he purged a LOT of a few years ago.
This makes me wonder if he is doing this botched campaign to humiliate them further. Or are they doing this as a get even for his purge?
Their staff officers planning this whole thing must have had the same thoughts several weeks ago.
Stalin killed a great many of his own troops and officers. Think about it.
Khrushchev deescalated that situation because he didn’t want to go down in history as the man who killed the earth.
You are killing your liver with that stuff, however.
That’s a fascinating angle.
It makes a girl think.
That's why Putin is using Chechens. If he declines the cease fire, he will probably use the Chechens as shock troops once they go in the city limits of Kyiv.
I read where Biden said he thought the USA could absorb at least a few nukes without us firing back...
Nuts to that!
I can think of a few blue enclaves...nahhhh, never mind!
Putin is a mad man!(Biden is just as bad and so are all the Kaus Schwab freeks). God is knocking all our heads and nations together!
It or something like it could happen. Putin’s rule is fundamentally without the legitimacy of democratic sanction, his popularity has been in decline, his health and mental balance are in question, and his manner and decisions are off. Dictators without a public retirement plan are often removed via assassination or coup.
I think Europe would be better of without NATO and the EU. Let each country negotiate their own trade agreements and immigration policy. Be good for the US as well.
If they didn’t go on strike during WW2, they’re not going on strike here.
Ukrain is not an official NATO member. NATO has no duty or obligation to defend them.
“They have been exposed as being of little value in front of an actual Russian invasion.”
I disagree. NATO’s mandate is to protect fellow NATO members. If a Russia attacks any NATO member, all other member nations would be required by the NATO pact/treaty to join in the battle against Russia. However, Ukraine is not a member of NATO and therefore not entitled military protection or assistance from NATO.
So a Reality TV Show staring V. Putin battling it out in dramatic courtroom scenes?
But if Putin fails, if Ukraine holds, if this turns into a bloody mess, Putin himself is finished. NATO itself may be finished either way. They have been exposed as being of little value in front of an actual Russian invasion.
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Then the Russian invasion in 1956 of Hungary and the Russian invasion in 1968 of Czechoslovakian proved NATO was finished also?
NATO was formed to stop a Russian invasion of its MEMBERS, not outliers like the Ukraine.
From your lips to God's Ears.
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