I’m saying that the Civil War has been debated endlessly on FR.
Whether or not secession is a right of the each state in the US needs to be argued on its own merits. What is going on in Europe is immaterial to that argument, and what has happened in the past sets precedent, but is not 100% binding on future decisions.
No controversy that this thing has been debated endlessly. I assume that the debate is a proxy for something else in the minds of men like DL whom I respect greatly as a historian if I cannot always agree with him. I could say the same about certain of the anti-lost-causers, the Lincoln Lovers, here on FR who are on the other side of that historical debate.
I don’t agree with you that what is going on in Ukraine is immaterial to that argument, I can see DL’s point, but I do agree that the argument is immaterial to our future (or it should be). It should not prevent us from considering a viable and peaceful way into a conservative future, or to use your phrase, to consider the morality or practicality of secession as a future solution to the problems in our country which fall under the umbrella term, “Civil War II”.
Lost-Causers are making a mistake in justifying the cause as if there was no deep state in the CSA. The Lincoln Lovers make the same error when they imagine US Grant and the Army of the Potomac “trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored.” Going forward we ask God’s help in resisting evil, because I cannot prove to you who these swamp devils are now any more than I could throughout history.
1) Our posterity will live under a Democrat tyranny! I say this regardless what it may be called at the time, probably Republican.
2) Electing a conservative president does NOT stop it.
3) Confirming a conservative justice does not stop it.
4) Voting for the lesser of two Rino evils does not stop it.
5) The left has signaled and demonstrated their violent even deadly murderous commitment to their cause.
6) Our side has signaled capitulation.
Please DL or K51 or anyone, tell me where and why I am wrong, with my sincere thanks. Remember my FRiends, we win in the end with God’s help! Kind Freegards and thanks to JimRob and all the others for this place.