No controversy that this thing has been debated endlessly. I assume that the debate is a proxy for something else in the minds of men like DL whom I respect greatly as a historian if I cannot always agree with him. I could say the same about certain of the anti-lost-causers, the Lincoln Lovers, here on FR who are on the other side of that historical debate.
I don’t agree with you that what is going on in Ukraine is immaterial to that argument, I can see DL’s point, but I do agree that the argument is immaterial to our future (or it should be). It should not prevent us from considering a viable and peaceful way into a conservative future, or to use your phrase, to consider the morality or practicality of secession as a future solution to the problems in our country which fall under the umbrella term, “Civil War II”.
Lost-Causers are making a mistake in justifying the cause as if there was no deep state in the CSA. The Lincoln Lovers make the same error when they imagine US Grant and the Army of the Potomac “trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored.” Going forward we ask God’s help in resisting evil, because I cannot prove to you who these swamp devils are now any more than I could throughout history.
1) Our posterity will live under a Democrat tyranny! I say this regardless what it may be called at the time, probably Republican.
2) Electing a conservative president does NOT stop it.
3) Confirming a conservative justice does not stop it.
4) Voting for the lesser of two Rino evils does not stop it.
5) The left has signaled and demonstrated their violent even deadly murderous commitment to their cause.
6) Our side has signaled capitulation.
Please DL or K51 or anyone, tell me where and why I am wrong, with my sincere thanks. Remember my FRiends, we win in the end with God’s help! Kind Freegards and thanks to JimRob and all the others for this place.
Very perceptive. After watching the country continuing down the road of decadence and decline, it long ago occurred to me that perhaps a separation from the liberal parts of the country will allow us to be successful, while they continue down the road to their own destruction.
This idea requires the rehabilitation of the notion of secession. It has to be justified as a right, and it has to be separated from slavery as an issue.
This purpose is always uppermost in my mind when I engage in discussions like this. Secession may be the only way to save ourselves from the economic and social destruction of a government controlled by liberal socialists.
Lost-Causers are making a mistake in justifying the cause as if there was no deep state in the CSA.
I have made the point on Free Republic, perhaps a half dozen or so times, that had things turned out differently, I would probably be bitching about the "elite" in Richmond or Charleston screwing over the rest of us out here in "flyover territory."
I think it is inherent in wealth that they will meddle with government, wherever and however it is so constituted. I think it is an aspect of human nature from which we cannot separate because it is in us.
Please DL or K51 or anyone, tell me where and why I am wrong, with my sincere thanks. Remember my FRiends, we win in the end with God’s help! Kind Freegards and thanks to JimRob and all the others for this place.
I see no flaw in anything you've said. I think we all want the same things; peace prosperity and friendship.
To those who debate with me from the other side, I still consider you good people and friends.
I'm not on either side of the debate, but the use of the Civil War as a proxy for modern times is as bad as calling everyone "racist", and it only serves to divide.
...or to use your phrase, to consider the morality or practicality of secession as a future solution to the problems in our country which fall under the umbrella term, “Civil War II”.
Not my phrase, but I agree with the sentiment.
Please DL or K51 or anyone, tell me where and why I am wrong, with my sincere thanks.
Unfortunately, I don't see anything wrong with your 6 points short of people deciding to "water the tree of Liberty."