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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

>> I catch flack for this but I don’t care anymore. Lincoln was a tyrant. He was well spoken and could write flowery poetic political speeches, but before the war began no one thought it was a war for union. Union became the battle cry when they need to find a reason to go to war with people they despised. Think about that for one second. Does it make any sense at all to go to war with people you despise so that you can bring them under the umbrella of your federal jurisdiction? <<

You must ignore the fact the institution of slavery was so repugnant to democracy that the Confederacy was desperate to export slaves to the West, because they were convinced that if they did not, there would be a terribly bloody uprising; and that they attacked the North; and that their goal in defeating the North was not their own sovereignty, but to secure the West as theirs.


25 posted on 02/24/2022 7:11:37 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

I don’t ignore any facts, you do. The south famously seceded from the union. The north famously ignored that action. Anyone who brings up slavery when arguing about secession is ignoring so many facts that cognitive dissonance can be the only explanation. Lincoln turned a political battle into a war that cost the lives of 500,000 Americans. Epic fail.


43 posted on 02/24/2022 7:18:18 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: dangus
You must ignore the fact the institution of slavery was so repugnant to democracy that the Confederacy was desperate to export slaves to the West, because they were convinced that if they did not, there would be a terribly bloody uprising; and that they attacked the North; and that their goal in defeating the North was not their own sovereignty, but to secure the West as theirs.

All of that is wrong. Let me give you a clue that you've been lied to about the history.

This is a modern cotton map. The cotton produced in West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California can only be produced due to modern irrigation systems.

Those systems did not exist in 1860. It was literally impossible to create cotton plantations (by far the most significant use of slaves) in the territories.

Slavery was not and could not "expand" into the territories because it was economically impossible to do anything significant with them in the territories.

If you look up the history of "New Mexico territory" (when it stretched from Texas to California) it says there were less than a dozen slaves in the entire region.


77 posted on 02/24/2022 8:02:47 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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