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To: sausageseller
So when Jesus told the thief on The cross next to him “ This day you will be with me in paradise”, he was lying?
 

Lots to parse here.
 
First, the only translation I could find that contained "This day" is...
 
 
Douay-Rheims Bible
And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
 
...the others say 'today'.
 
So, a minor point? Or not??
 
 
First; let's see what the thief said to Jesus:
 
39 And one of those robbers who were hanged blasphemed him, saying: If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering, rebuked him, saying: Neither dost thou fear God, seeing; thou art under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly: for we receive the due reward of our deeds. But this man hath done no evil. 42 And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee: This day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
 
Luke 23:39-43 D-R
 
 
 
So the thief had a request; and he put a quailfier on it: "...when thou shalt come into thy kingdom."
 

So when Jesus replies, "this day" to him, just which day IS it??
 
 
 
Scripture tells us Jesus was 3 days in the tomb, and another place it says:
 
John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary ' Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren an say unto them," I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God and to your God".'.
 
So just WHEN did Jesus come into His Kingdom?
 
 
 
Matthew 16:28 Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
 
 HMMMmmm...
 
Not too specific, but it narrows it down a bit.

 
 
Now this is where I'll stop; for many others, much more learned than I have 'discussed' this subject for years.  The inquisitive can do the research on there own from here.
 
Good luck!
 
 

 

Matthew 6:10 ...Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
 
 
 

33 posted on 02/24/2022 4:39:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

” Kingdom has no bearing on the story the OP posted.

I believe the story could be very well be true.
Why?

The Vision of Paradise
12 It is [a]doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.


35 posted on 02/24/2022 5:13:33 AM PST by sausageseller (If you want to cut your own throat, don't come to me for a bandage. M, Thatcher)
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