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Russia reveals details of Biden-Putin call
RT ^ | 2-12-22 | RT

Posted on 02/12/2022 2:03:25 PM PST by dynachrome

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To: jonrick46

Could very well happen.


41 posted on 02/12/2022 4:07:33 PM PST by caww ( )
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To: Zhang Fei

My impression from the series was that they also thought they could act like the Tsar was still around and hold expensive balls while at war. Fancy uniforms. Disunity for sure.


42 posted on 02/12/2022 4:34:47 PM PST by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: NeverTyranny

Yep! The world is laughing at the USA today.


43 posted on 02/12/2022 4:36:25 PM PST by JoJo354 (JUST SAY NO to covid vaxx!)
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To: dynachrome

44 posted on 02/12/2022 5:00:38 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: dynachrome

[My impression from the series was that they also thought they could act like the Tsar was still around and hold expensive balls while at war. Fancy uniforms. Disunity for sure.]


Nonetheless, without the carnage (2m Russian dead) from WWI, I doubt the Bolsheviks would have taken power. This is why when people talk about the latest fashionable theories (e.g. wag the dog) from Hollywood, I just shake my head. The phrase “not even wrong” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong comes to mind.

*No one* goes to war to unite the population. Wars are by definition unpredictable. The sequence of events is the reverse - to engage in war, the ruler must first unite the country (possibly by slaughtering his internal opponents) and generally engage in systematic repression that eliminates his internal enemies, with the unwanted side effect of increasing the number of people alarmed at his cruelty and caprice. While in the short run, this iron-fisted approach might paper over differences with his underlings, as Alexander did with a number of dissenters, in the long run, this can lead to regime collapse, which is what happened to Alexander’s ruling house when he died:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleitus_the_Black#The_death_of_Cleitus
[In 328 BC, Artabazos resigned his satrapy of Bactria, and Alexander gave it to Cleitus.[8][11] On the eve of the day on which he was to set out to take possessions of his government, Alexander organized a banquet during a feast day for Dionysus in the satrapial palace at Maracanda (what is now the town of Samarkand).[6] At this banquet an angry dispute arose, the particulars of which are disputed by various authors.

Most of the members were rather drunk, and Alexander announced a reorganization of commands. Specifically, Cleitus was given orders to take 16,000 of the defeated Greek mercenaries who formerly fought for the Persian King north to fight the steppe nomads in Central Asia.[citation needed]

Cleitus knew that he would no longer be near the king and would be a forgotten man. Furious at the thought of commanding what he saw as second-rate soldiers and fighting nomads in the middle of nowhere, he spoke his mind. To make matters worse, when Alexander arrogantly boasted that his accomplishments were far greater than that of his father, Phillip II, Cleitus responded by saying that Alexander was not the legitimate king of the Macedonians, and that all of his achievements were due to his father.[12] Alexander called for his guards, but they did not want to intervene in a quarrel between friends.

The quarrel between Alexander and Cleitus

Alexander threw an apple at Cleitus’ head and called for a dagger or spear, but the party near the two men removed the dagger, restrained Alexander, and hustled Cleitus out of the room. The Hypaspists had conveniently left the vicinity of Alexander. Alexander then called for his trumpeter to summon the army; the alarm was not sounded. Nevertheless, Cleitus managed to return to the room to utter more grievances against Alexander (it is possible that Cleitus had not even left the room). But sources agree that at this point Alexander got hold of a javelin and threw it through Cleitus’s heart.[2][5][7]

In all of the four major known texts, it is shown that Alexander grieved for the death of Cleitus.[6] Alexander may have genuinely not wanted to kill Cleitus. However, Cleitus was a member of Philip II’s generation and Alexander had been removing that generation from power to keep his own peers in power.

The motives of Cleitus in this quarrel have been interpreted in various ways. Cleitus may have been angered at Alexander’s increasing adoption of Persian customs. After the death of King Darius III, Alexander was legally King of the Persian Empire. Alexander was now employing eunuchs and was tolerant of such Persian customs as proskynesis, which was considered degrading by many in the Macedonian army.[3]]


In the end, it was Alexander’s erstwhile subordinates, not some foreign enemy, who administered the literal death blow to his ruling clan.


45 posted on 02/12/2022 5:17:41 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“without the carnage”

Why the Russian armed forces were in disarray and much less willing to fight. The Eastern front is less well known in both WW1 and WW2


46 posted on 02/12/2022 5:21:37 PM PST by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: telescope115

3,000 more paratroopers head to Europe amid White House warnings of Ukraine invasion

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/02/11/3000-more-paratroopers-heading-to-europe-as-white-house-warns-ukraine-invasion-imminent/


47 posted on 02/12/2022 5:21:48 PM PST by McGruff (Trump/DeSantis 2024)
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To: catnipman

“if ANY NATO country is attacked, the U.S. is obligated to intervene, which in and of itself is why the U.S. should exit NATO, anyway”

It’s an existential imperative.

All opposed, in government and out, are enemies of the American people.

NATO does next to nothing for themselves, have never done jack sh!t for the US, but would demand the US engage existential nuclear war on their behalf.

Eff ‘em.


48 posted on 02/12/2022 5:26:35 PM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: DesertRhino

Germany was Russia’s #1 trading partner when Germany attacked Russia in 1941.

Also, when the Russians attacked Ukraine last time it was what time of year?


49 posted on 02/12/2022 5:34:22 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: DesertRhino

Russia’s military has declined since 1991, true.

NATO has declined somewhat more. Granted, NATO has a technical edge and we also have more women and queers in the ranks so we definitely beat the Russians on the cringe factor.

Putin should hope his troops are not prone to cringing. Lol.


50 posted on 02/12/2022 5:38:53 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: McGruff

Thanks for the confirmation. Chess pieces being moved around. A dangerous game and I firmly believe Mr.Biden is in way over his head.


51 posted on 02/12/2022 5:54:40 PM PST by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: PeterPrinciple
Evidence is the troop buildup.

Point is, should have talked, listened, and worked this out instead of pushing NATO on Ukraine and possibility of troops on their border. But no, Biden and libs push, no listen.

52 posted on 02/12/2022 6:19:45 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: DesertRhino

“Kiev has threatened to try to “retake” Donbass and Crimea. Russia put forces around there in case they try”

Utterly ridiculous. Ukraine doesn’t have the type of military to launch large scale offensive operations.

Do you buy Russian propaganda or do they pay you to spew it?
Russia has a history: Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukriane. Russians are dirty lying sacks of excrement.


53 posted on 02/12/2022 6:33:20 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr

We are entering the End Game—Putin’s goals may well be something we do not expect. Not a simple invasion but something worse!


54 posted on 02/12/2022 7:54:55 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: rbmillerjr

We are entering the End Game—Putin’s goals may well be something we do not expect. Not a simple invasion but something worse!


55 posted on 02/12/2022 7:54:56 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: rbmillerjr

An attack on Superbowl Sunday would find us unable to defend ourselves—everyone will be watching the game when the EMF pulse, fired from a sub off California blanks out the whole computer system.


56 posted on 02/12/2022 7:57:25 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Putin is a fool but he is not completely stupid. That is an act of war and we would sink every ship in Crimea, the Baltics, and the Pacific.

The Russians had 6 jets shot down in the Georgian invasion, lol. Their logistics proved that they are not ready for a serious peer war.


57 posted on 02/12/2022 8:12:31 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: dynachrome
"Yuri Ushakov has revealed details of the conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Joe Biden shortly after the phone talks concluded

Biden needed a legible copy of the notes Yuri took during the phone conversation.
58 posted on 02/12/2022 11:34:59 PM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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