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Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer
YouTube ^ | 09/25/2022 | Mearshimer

Posted on 02/12/2022 5:19:42 AM PST by Phoenix8

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UnCommon Core: The Causes and Consequences of the Ukraine Crisis

John J. Mearsheimer, the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago, assesses the causes of the present Ukraine crisis, the best way to end it, and its consequences for all of the main actors. A key assumption is that in order to come up with the optimum plan for ending the crisis, it is essential to know what caused the crisis. Regarding the all-important question of causes, the key issue is whether Russia or the West bears primary responsibility.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: ukraine
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I had no plan to post this and stumbled across it last night. Thumbs up.

The speech was in the Obama reign and I don’t know the politics of the guy but he seems to have been like Nostradamus and predicted the pickle we are getting into.

It’s seems Biden is following the same strategy as Obama did.

1 posted on 02/12/2022 5:19:42 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: Phoenix8

If there were no people in Ukraine unhappy with the economy Putin would not have reason to expect an incident justifying a Russian takeover.


2 posted on 02/12/2022 5:25:16 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Phoenix8

His third term...


3 posted on 02/12/2022 5:25:21 AM PST by Does so (Americans had no desire for war between 1939 and 1941. Rheinland? Sometimes War Finds YOU!)
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To: Phoenix8

Ukraine must change its laws to control corruption and create a friendly business environment.


4 posted on 02/12/2022 5:27:50 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Phoenix8
The Obama regime started the problems in Ukraine.

Probably under orders from George Soros.


5 posted on 02/12/2022 5:32:53 AM PST by McGruff (Trump/DeSantis 2024)
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To: Phoenix8

The big mistake was our handling of post-Soviet Russia. There were two approaches that we considered:

* Strong friendly Russia. Embrace the new Russian state, send them Marshal Plan like aid to rebuild their economy, and work for them to join NATO. (Secretary of State Jim Baker proposed this)

* Weak angry Russia. Take the Soviet collapse as a chance to permanently do away with our rival. Support the independence of the Autonomous Republics within Russia and use the resulting chaos to take essential control of the Russian Far East. (Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney proposed this)

The problem is both Bush and Clinton were weak leaders and chose neither option. Instead we settled on a compromise of creating a Strong Angry Russia.


6 posted on 02/12/2022 5:37:28 AM PST by Renfrew
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To: Brian Griffin

Corruption is a social phenomenon. I’m sure there are already plenty of LAWS in Ukraine.


7 posted on 02/12/2022 5:37:44 AM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: McGruff

Obama mishandled it disastrously (as he did everything) but the coup was essential.

People forget that Yanukovych in 2013 signed a deal to sell 9% of his country to China. The West could not allow that. He needed to be overthrown.


8 posted on 02/12/2022 5:39:40 AM PST by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew

Not exactly in the terms you used but he talks about this sort of thing a little.


9 posted on 02/12/2022 5:40:07 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: Renfrew

Who are we to say what is essential for Ukraine?

As for the US, Bill Clinton didn’t sell it he simply opened up the university computers to the Chinese and gifted them all the technology and knowlege.


10 posted on 02/12/2022 5:50:22 AM PST by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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I’ll go with Slow Joe Biden’s corruption. What do I win?


11 posted on 02/12/2022 5:52:21 AM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: Renfrew

Bush sent aid. Putin pulled away.


12 posted on 02/12/2022 6:04:17 AM PST by rrrod (6)
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To: Renfrew

The second approach was taken in practice, except it was implemented poorly.


13 posted on 02/12/2022 6:19:03 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: Phoenix8

Excellent video


14 posted on 02/12/2022 6:41:11 AM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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Mearsheimer indeed predicted EVERYTHING that is happening now. It is quite amazing.

If you start with the fact America is ruled by a globalist, woke, permanent elite who have never had their thinking or power checked (he calls them liberal hegemenists), then events will cascade in a predictable fashion.


15 posted on 02/12/2022 7:04:26 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Renfrew

The West is partly to blame. Upon USSR dissolution Ukraine was convinced that the West would protect them, so it was OK for them to give up the hundreds of Soviet nukes on Ukraine soil.

Foolish of them to believe that. Corrupt of us to offer it.

If Ukraine had a few, even without ICBM’s, they could tell Russia that some are hidden along approaches on the border. Go ahead, see what your old nukes can do to a tank brigade.
Taiwan can do the same: “Oh, are you CERTAIN that no ship currently in your Chinese port is not mined? Why would we not do that? You are planning to murder everyone on Taiwan, like in HongKong.”


16 posted on 02/12/2022 7:50:53 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?

If you go back to the breakup of the USSR, Ukraine had nukes, but was persuaded to give them up after "assurances" (I don't know what or from whom) that they would be protected. I'm guessing the Ukrainians wish they had some nuke deterrence now, but it is probably better that the world doesn't get in a Nuke War over them.

Given the track record on assurances, particularly from the Biden Regime, you can bet any other country won't make that mistake again, so nuke proliferation is guaranteed.

17 posted on 02/12/2022 8:40:42 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction". It is dying on Our Watch!)
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...it is probably better that the world doesn't get in a Nuke War over them.

The only good a Uke nuke could do would be to decapitate the Russian leadership. But it would have to be first strike, since when the invasion starts the leadership will be dispersed, concealed and protected. And first strike means you're the bad guy.

18 posted on 02/12/2022 9:31:32 AM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: PGR88

Yes I’ve never even heard of him before and I can only think of one other person predict anything so accurately 8 years ahead of time before.

Amazing really.


19 posted on 02/12/2022 1:22:56 PM PST by Phoenix8
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To: bobbo666; The Sons of Liberty
the West would protect them, so it was OK for them to give up the hundreds of Soviet nukes on Ukraine soil.

Every right thinking person at the time wanted nukes out of Ukraine and every other former Soviet state. Ukraine was not a functioning government. It wasn't close to a unified state. It was, and although its improved, is still an oligarchic kleptocracy (cue Hunter Biden). Although they are all slavs, they are split in half by language, culture, ethnicity, even which Orthodox leader they accept. Those nukes would have been sold, or just disappeared, to the highest bidder.

20 posted on 02/12/2022 1:30:09 PM PST by PGR88
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