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The first combat qualified female naval aviator died in a crazy accident
WeAreTheMighty.com ^ | August 30, 2021 | Blake Stilwell

Posted on 02/07/2022 10:55:27 AM PST by BenLurkin

When Lt. Kara Hultgreen died while trying to land on the USS Abraham Lincoln, the event touched off a national debate about women in combat roles and the military pushing women who weren’t ready into active service. Except Hultgreen was more than qualified to be a naval aviator – she was just a victim of a well-known deficiency in the F-14’s Pratt & Whitney engine.

On Oct. 25, 1994, she was attempting to land her F-14 aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. She overshot the landing area’s centerline and attempted to correct the mistake. Her correction disrupted the airflow into her Tomcat’s left engine, which caused it to fail. This was a known deficiency in that particular engine.

By the time she died, Lt. Hultgreen had more than 1,240 hours of flying time in the F-14 Tomcat and had landed on a carrier some 58 times, 17 times at night. She was ranked first in defending the fleet from simulated attacks by enemy aircraft and in air refueling, and second in tactics to evade enemy aircraft and in combined familiarization with tactics and aircraft.

Her colleagues and fellow pilots praised her performance as a naval aviator and reminded people that 10 F-14 pilots were killed in accidents between the years of 1992 and 1994.

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KEYWORDS: aerospace; hultgreen; navair
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To: pierrem15

If she wasn’t ready, don’t you think she would have crashed sometime before her 59th carrier landing? 1240 hours in a fighter airframe is a helluva lot of flight time.


41 posted on 02/07/2022 12:03:09 PM PST by jagusafr ( )
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To: old curmudgeon

Re: 37 - A few are funny. Several just blindly post links to sources they know are questionable, but are too lazy themselves to do any research.


42 posted on 02/07/2022 12:06:00 PM PST by Fury
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To: jagusafr
If she wasn’t ready, don’t you think she would have crashed sometime before her 59th carrier landing? 1240 hours in a fighter airframe is a helluva lot of flight time.

Not good to post that - it will upset the narrative of the ignorant.

43 posted on 02/07/2022 12:06:45 PM PST by Fury
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To: JonPreston

What does a photograph of an Officer of the U.S. Public Health Service have to do with the issue of this thread. She doesn’t fly aircraft


44 posted on 02/07/2022 12:11:24 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
What does a photograph of an Officer of the U.S. Public Health Service have to do with the issue of this thread. She doesn’t fly aircraft

Thanks.

The ignorance on this thread is incredible.

45 posted on 02/07/2022 12:15:46 PM PST by Fury
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To: jagusafr

Actually, if you look at her record it appears she was far more lucky than good.

One of the worst things you can do to a person is keep them from ever realizing that they failed so that they never feel motivated to learn from their mistakes.

If you want someone to be good you have to constantly keep the need to improve in front of them without destroying their ability to develop confidence.

Too much poorly justified success breeds arrogance and diminishes ability. And that is often deadly.


46 posted on 02/07/2022 12:17:55 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: jagusafr; Fury

You are getting duped by the naval cover=up/propaganda. She had 1240 career flight hours, but only 217 in an F-14 and died only 60 days after being carrier qualified. She received the lowest scores of her entire training class, and was rushed through to promote Clinton’s agenda.


47 posted on 02/07/2022 12:22:21 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: Bull Snipe

It’s a statement on political correctness. That’s transgender Rachel Levine I believe.


48 posted on 02/07/2022 12:27:17 PM PST by freefdny
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To: BenLurkin
The first combat qualified female naval aviator died in a crazy accident

She wasn't qualified, and it wasn't an accident. It was a mistake which she caused.

Bill Clinton was pushing this stupid women in combat crap, and it did of course do what everyone expected it to do.

49 posted on 02/07/2022 12:32:52 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
she was just a victim of a well-known deficiency in the F-14’s Pratt & Whitney engine.

It was not a deficiency of the engine. It was a characteristic of Naval aircraft. The Navy always insists on having two engines because pilots cannot bail out over ocean as easily as an air force pilot can bail out over land.

Two engines generally has one on each side with air intakes on each side.

What fake female "fighter" pilot #1 did was to shadow her engine's air intake by getting the fuselage moving off center from her direction of travel, this caused a flame out because the engine was deprived of it's air stream because the fuselage was in the way.

This is a known issue on all naval fighter aircraft and the right engine could have flamed out just as easily if she had turned the other direction at low speed.

She should not have tried to turn at such a slow speed and she should have gone full power with the remaining engine in an effort to recover.

They passed her through training because of pressure from President piece of sh*t.

50 posted on 02/07/2022 12:40:07 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
That can't be right. Both those pilots were guys. Everyone knows only women crash airplanes.

Well the first one sure did.

51 posted on 02/07/2022 12:41:39 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DesertRhino

If it took all those hours of flying for her to crash, she was way, way, way ahead of John McCain. (Not that that’s a particularly high bar.)


52 posted on 02/07/2022 12:43:11 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: suthener
Even the investigation got political. I read once that they put other pilots in simulators in her situation and most also crashed. But then the pilots said they wouldn’t have gotten into that situation and when they started the simulation a few seconds earlier most of the pilots survived.

This doesn't tell the whole story. In an effort to create the illusion that she didn't screw up, the people doing the testing of these pilots in simulators deliberately turned off the engines in the simulator to create the condition where they would be unlikely to recover.

In other words, they faked the tests for propaganda purposes. I think one even survived the simulator test with all the cheating they were doing, but most could not.

The truth is she screwed up by cutting off the airstream to her engine which caused it to flame out.

53 posted on 02/07/2022 12:47:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
What does a photograph of an Officer of the U.S. Public Health Service have to do with the issue of this thread. She doesn’t fly aircraft

It isn't a "she". It's a f@ggot wearing makeup pretending to be female, and it has a lot to do with what is wrong in the modern military.

They are so full of stupid "woke" bullsh*t, that they can't see reality any more.

Hultgreen was not qualified to be a pilot but was rushed through so Bill sh*tbag Clinton could get some propaganda benefit from his stupid policy of putting women into fighter aircraft.

54 posted on 02/07/2022 12:53:54 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: old curmudgeon
When you start flight school the cadre tells you one in three will not live through a career of 20 years.

We lost more of my class to car accidents than flying accidents but, the ratio was 1 in 3. I suspect there were more errors in judgement on the car accident side.

55 posted on 02/07/2022 12:54:42 PM PST by pfflier
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To: DoodleDawg

When the military accepted the best they could find they could trust that barring some hotdogging or a plainly stupid act any crash likely went beyond human ability to avoid it. As an Officer his ability and judgement could be trusted. THATS rather the point of his existence and presence l in the fighting order. When standards are lowered for any reason including political pressure the trouble will start. In the case ofA politically preferred pilot you CANNOT e sure of the skill level or judgement. Look at the career of John McCain. He got a slot because his dad was a big shot. He wrecked 3 or 4 fighters and I’d guess that in some of those incidents the result was failure to support the mission.The likelihood that Hultgren or any other political or especially “ preferred “appointee was or is the absolute best next in line, is down there below slim and none. The people who count on these officers in battle deserve the best available candidates .


56 posted on 02/07/2022 1:00:58 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Wayne07
She had 1240 career flight hours, but only 217 in an F-14 and died only 60 days after being carrier qualified. She received the lowest scores of her entire training class, and was rushed through to promote Clinton’s agenda

Thanks in advance for sources for this information.

57 posted on 02/07/2022 1:07:24 PM PST by Fury
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To: Wayne07

Re: 47 - The reason I asked for sources, is the posted article has:

“By the time she died, Lt. Hultgreen had more than 1,240 hours of flying time in the F-14 Tomcat and had landed on a carrier some 58 times, 17 times at night.”

So there is a discrepancy on the hours you claim she had in the F-14.


58 posted on 02/07/2022 1:10:07 PM PST by Fury
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To: 9YearLurker

John McCain is exactly the example that makes the case that only the absolute best be chosen. I mean case closed.


59 posted on 02/07/2022 1:15:38 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Wayne07
From this article: "Confessions Of A Navy F-14 Fleet Pilot Turned F-5 Aggressor"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27889/confessions-of-a-navy-f-14-fleet-pilot-turned-f-5-aggressor From the article:

"The treatment she received after her death has always stayed with me as one of the greatest injustices witnessed during my naval career. Our XO replicated the mishap 100 times in the simulator and crashed 97 of them. "

At the time of her death, she was a pack-player behind the boat, meaning that she was solidly in the middle of the squadron’s landing grades. Yet, as one of the first woman to fly Tomcats in the fleet, and the first to die doing so, she was held as an example of the supposed error of women in combat.

60 posted on 02/07/2022 1:15:54 PM PST by Fury
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