[EEGator]

Some on here will say this means that the vaccines are working because they aren’t dying at a high rate.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Interesting! Would they say that about rabies? Smallpox? Polio? I thought COVID-19 caused clots, myocarditis, hemorrhagic strokes, spike proteins, etc. Isn’t catching this dreaded disease the bane of humanity?

[ThunderSleeps]

I'm sure that will get pointed out. The counter to that is that the omicron variant seems to be far less lethal than previous variants.

Someone looking to prove a point could pull death rate data for un-vaccinated people from the delta variant wave and compare it to death rates for vaccinated people during the omicron variant wave. This would be intellectually dishonest, as it would skew the apparent efficacy of the vaccines at preventing deaths. I'm sure that will not stop many in the medical and MSM from cherry picking their data in exactly that way.

The money quote from the (very thorough) article is:

In countries with good data, vaccinated people actually are more likely to be infected than the unvaccinated.

As telling as that is, a close second is that the author also points out that with each booster the net benefit is reduced, and the time period over which that benefit is evident is also reduced. The 4th shot, aka 2nd booster is estimated to be effective for only a few weeks (3-5?). A person would probably be equally protected merely buying a few weeks worth of vitamins and supplements, getting a little exercise and sunshine.

[Gaffer]

They were the same ones who believed and touted the whole “you won’t get ANYTHING if you get this vax jab,” too way back when... Ever changing goal posts and expected results from quislings who refuse to believe that they’ve been lied to.

[daniel1212]

"Some on here will say this means that the vaccines are working because they aren’t dying at a high rate."

While original providing significant protection, against Delta the the WHO said it was only 40% and against Omicron it is even less, of at all, and decreasing so. Meanwhile naturally acquired immunity has shown to provide lasting resistance, and even having recovered from a cold helps, and considering the vast multitudes of people who have recovered (maybe 409,312,111: 910,104 deaths out of 76,222,215 cases) plus the relatively mild effects of Omicron, then regardless of vaccination deaths should have greatly decreased. Some stats have shown however that the non-vaxxed have a higher rate of serious cases. Yet the real driver of deaths are comorbidities, against which there is not a proportional response.

Relevant:

Research finds that obesity along with high blood pressure and diabetes (which typically are related to obesity [3][4] [5]) are the leading comorbidities in Covid-assigned deaths.[6] And over 70% of Americans are overweight or obese. [7] And while Covid-assigned deaths are now over 800,000 in America, yet according to the National Library of Medicine the estimated number of deaths per year in America that are attributable to obesity among US adults is approximately 280,000. Which means 2,800,000 over a 10 year period. [8] In addition, it was recently reported that U.S. diabetes deaths were over 100,000 for the second straight year.

The CDC reported that obesity is linked to impaired immune function, and may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection, and decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult. And the increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65,[9] and that about 78% of people that were hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 were overweight or obese. [10]

This includes some otherwise healthy, hard-working people and even the young. Since the pandemic began dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity A study published in August 2020 reported that an international team of researchers who pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients, found that “people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.” Another study found that 77% of nearly 17,000 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 were overweight (29%) or obese (48%) - and which over 40% of Americans are. [11]

Consistent with this, the majority of global COVID-19 deaths have been in countries where many people are obese, with coronavirus fatality rates 10 times higher in nations where at least 50% of adults are overweight,” and “that 90% or 2.2 million of the 2.5 million deaths from the pandemic disease so far were in countries with high levels of obesity.[12] “The report found that every country where less than 40% of the population was overweight had a low Covid-19 death rate of no more than 10 people per 100,000.” “Age is the predominant factor affecting risk of hospitalisation and death from Covid-19, but the report finds that being overweight comes a close second.” [13] cf. [14] [15]

In addition, more recent research has reported that fat cells can act as a reservoir for RNA viruses like influenza A and HIV, providing an additional site for the virus to replicate. TOC^

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "Some on here will say this means that the vaccines are working because they aren't dying at a high rate."

An interesting observation. And yet, in other subsets of the pandemic discussion, the "correlation is not causation" slogan is trotted out so quickly.

A historical frame for this would be the time period over which the Spanish flu pandemic burned itself out, LONG before there were mRNA products, legally-shielded by EUAs, "safe and effective" yet the data cannot be released, injections to sell.

Natural virus attenuation doesn't figure into the marketing schemes, so....