Posted on 02/01/2022 10:35:18 AM PST by sphinx
"I wish I had a real memory." "What do you mean?"
(Excerpt) Read more at firstshowing.net ...
After Yang: AI characters have been well explored, but Kogonada has found a new angle of attack. Yang is many things, not all of them understood, but first and foremost, he is a mirror.
I'm Your Man: The topline story is a frothy romcom with plenty of silliness and a comedy of manners. But the silliness is hiding ... well, you won't see the twists coming.
I’m Your Man came out last year. After Yang premiered in Cannes but was then pulled back until Sundance, where it made its North American premier. The trailer was just released today. It will be in theaters March 4 and will then stream on Showtime.
The cinematography warrants a trip to the theater, especially if you don’t have Showtime. I suppose it will eventually work its way out into broader distribution, but it’s good enough that it would be a shame to wait.
Both of these are serious movies. I would argue that both are “our kind of movies” in terms of cultural tone and the respect with which they approach serious issues.
After Yang was the best film at Sundance (IMHO) and is the early leader on my board for best film of the year. I’m Your Man weaves in and out of some of the same themes, though After Yang is much broader in perspective. They are a good pair to watch within a short period of time for purposes of contrast.
Oops: if you are into doomsday scenarios, After Yang is NOT your cup of tea .... Me bad.
[[”I wish I had a real memory.”]]
That has been done many times. Robots wanting to,be human, to have rela memories, not artificially implanted ones.
What makes this film different?
I kind of liked Ex Machina.
Plot synopsis (without spoilers)?
I’ve yet to seen an AI depicted properly. All amount to “autistic sociopath” straining toward human traits. Most fall in the category of a great plot idea, but written into a corner where the author can’t escape his own mental limits. Here’s hoping these come through....
What about the AI in “Person of interest” ?
No spoilers? That will be hard.
Suppose a close relative has died. You are close enough to be part of the family crew that is tasked with cleaning out the home and making final disposal of the debris field of a long life. In the back closet, you discover an old box of photographs. Some you recognize, and these tug at your mystic chords of memory. You smile, you wipe away a tear, you go on.
Other photographs recall half-forgotten uncles, aunts and old friends that you've not thought of for many years. You realize that even if a photograph is not of interest to you, it may well have meaning for someone else, and you feel some obligation to at least make an effort to reach out.
But then ... you also find photographs, and a lot of them, of a surprising and quite unlikely person that you never knew existed. This person was obviously important in your family member's life, but you never had a clue. And when you realize that some of these photos are quite recent and some have even been taken inside your current home ... well, now you have a mystery to unravel.
The "photographs" in After Yang are memory snips, a few seconds each day, of things the robot thought were meaningful enough to record. You never realized you were being recorded. What about you did it find important? What do the photographs and the implied hierarchy of meaning say about the inner life of the robot? What does the sudden shift to a third party perspective remind you of what you used to be, and what you may have lost? This ain't just about the bot.
In Kogonada's first film, Columbus, there is a line: "effort plus cost to see things that are invisible and always visible." That sounds cryptic and pretentious here, but in the context of the film, it's fine; Jin and Casey are trying to decipher marginal notes and an enigmatic sketch in a notebook belonging to Jin's father, a distinguished architectural critic who has fallen into a coma. Jin is stranded in town, a stranger in a strange land, because he is doing a deathwatch over his father. Casey is a local. (The plot is straightforward enough; it's an odd couple pairing, using a shared interest in architecture to develop a friendship.) It takes awhile to figure out what is going on because Kogonada never lectures; he just poses the questions and invites the viewer to engage and think. But eventually you realize that the things that are invisible yet always visible are the things that are defined by their absence. The absence can be felt, and the absence has contours that can be seen in the objects that are visible to us. It's brilliantly done. The architectural search, of course, is a metaphor for Jin and Casey's emotional journies; their wandering about town is about a lot more than architecture, though it takes them a long time to admit it. And just for the record, a romance does NOT happen. Kogonada would never go there.
In After Yang, the memories show up as flashes of light surrounded by darkness. The challenge is to explore the darkness. And again, Kogonada will never lecture. He poses the questions. He gives us a glimpse of a data point, a memory. What it means, the viewer had to figure out.
The movie is a philosophical meditation set within a sci-fi story. Did the robot have real feelings? Did the robot want to be human? The questions are implied but not answered. The thing to recognize, however, is that the robot is first and foremost a mirror. The robot is not really the subject of the film; the subject is the human family and that story is very complex. This is family drama and a meditation on memory, loss and love. That is why, in my book, this is a profoundly conservative film. It's not really a technology flick about a dead robot. The bot is a narrative device.
Hey, this is A24. If viewers know what they're getting when they sit down to watch the film, the people at A24 think they've failed. This fits perfectly with Kogonada's style of introspection and open ended questioning.
It's an interesting film. I can't think of a close parallel. And just when you think you've got the film doped out, the bottom falls out again. The most enigmatic line, towards the end, "I always helped." No spoilers here, but After Yang could be both a love story and a ghost story, metaphorically speaking. But it's Kogonada 2.0; he leaves you wondering. People who need their films wrapped up tightly with a bow on top may not like the open-ended questions. I do.
If this intrigues you, read a few reviews, buy a ticket and see it in the theater. If you think this sounds like indie navel gazing, wait a year until it rolls around on your streamer for free. But make a note to check it out then. It may surprise you.
Thanks for the review. :)
I’ve not seen that one. Is it worth seeing? I’ll add it to my watchlist, as I do with all the recommendations that come up on the film threads.
As always, the point of this exercise is to alert people to good/interesting current films, as opposed to the garbage that the film industry spews out nonstop. We’re looking for the hidden gems. Not everything will be to everyone’s taste, but that’s ok.
These two films are good. They’re thoughtful. They raise serious questions in a responsible way. These aren’t Borg movies.
yeah, it is neil the dickhead, but it’s where we’re headed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZts40LNxGM
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“Person of Interest” was a TV show staring Jim Caviezel
so not technically a movie
thank you for that- sounds interesting for sure-
i don’t mind open ended endings, but prefer they be wrapped up-
They look interesting. Thanks for the ping.
Let me guess: both films feature brazen homosexuality and ‘woke’ Marxist politics? No thanks, if so.
One day, an A.I. will claim human rights as a sentient being.
Do we grant such rights?
What are the lines? (Are there any lines?)
Modern liberalism has brought us to this point.
Haven’t seen “Person Of Interest”.
Reading the summary at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839578/, that may finally be an accurate portrayal - so long as the AI simply acts as a machine-learning tool which triggers on data as predictive of impending crime. Such systems are being developed. It’s “AI” insofar as nobody deliberately understood & programmed it to detect likely outcomes, but instead is a machine-learning system which develops by tweaking its own settings to those favorably matching the desired result (usually by observing human response to the data, a la “prove you’re not a robot” image selection tests which are literally teaching robots how to act like humans). Tesla’s self-driving cars are a prime example of this technology: it’s AI, which shows no semblance of “intentional decision”.
The fun will be a movie, and onset of reality, where a ML AI does start “thinking” past humans: say, a self-driving car which not only takes you from location A to B, but “decides” you should be at C instead and takes you there - and is right.
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