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Doug Glanville: Why I'm OK with Barry Bonds not being elected to the Hall of Fame
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Posted on 01/31/2022 2:11:31 PM PST by nickcarraway

BACK IN 1997, when I was in my second year with the Cubs, I vividly recall watching batting practice when Mark McGwire stepped in the cage for the Cardinals. It was awesome. I saw how far the ball flew, and, like so many of us, I suspended disbelief. It was like watching a good horror movie, before we knew how wrong things could go.

Over time, a cloud of doubt seeped into clubhouses. Suspicion about whether that teammate beating you out is playing fair. Records became mere placeholders. Every home run hit a little too far brought a hitter's integrity into question. We stopped trusting the game, and, worse, we lost our sense of awe in it. Even as the fans came back post-strike, it was still eroding.

I've thought about those days a lot recently, as the end of Barry Bonds' candidacy on the Baseball Writers' Association of America ballot approached. Even before the announcement last week, as I read more and more about the importance of Bonds' inclusion into the Hall as a historical necessity, I started to worry: "He may actually get in." For me, this wasn't just about Bonds. It was about so many extraordinarily productive players from my era, too many of whom used PEDs.

For weeks before the vote was announced, I imagined watching a parade of PED players walk up to the podium to tell us about their journey, knowing they represent a force that accelerated the demise of so many players who played it straight. Congratulations?

It was the same powerlessness I felt facing an opponent who had an unfair advantage. But this time, it was mixed with the disorientation of having no idea where to direct that frustration. I could no longer take it out on a baseball. Instead, I could only swing at ghosts.

Watching so many of sports' biggest superstars tweet their disappointment in the vote that kept Bonds out didn't help. Eventually, I realized what many of them haven't had to: The lines you draw are different when you are directly impacted by such rampant cheating. Not peripherally, not theoretically, but directly -- in your contract negotiations, on the lineup card, on the depth chart, in the win column.

It is one thing to watch artificial domination on TV, marveling at the numbers it produced as if it is a magic show. It is another when you lose your job from it.

Eventually, I tried to put aside my anger at the tweets and the commentary. I ended up with a question: How can we celebrate anyone who clearly leveraged unfair advantages in order to win?

We want to enshrine these men? For what? For having a better pharmacist?

THE MOST COMMON argument for the inclusion of PED users in the Hall is that we can't ignore the past, and trust me -- I hold no rose-colored glasses to the idealism of this game's origins. Throughout my playing career, I was always acutely aware that players who looked like me once could not even participate in that history. And yes, there are likely players who are in the Hall now who took PEDs and got away with it. Yes, there are players in the Hall who took amphetamines, whose behavior would not have lived up to the policies today. But why should any of that stop us from being better now?

We all accept that the Hall of Fame is a museum, tasked with telling the full story. But it is also a shrine. There should be a difference between being recognized in the Hall of Fame and being honored by it. I am represented in the Baseball Hall of Fame -- or at least, my senior thesis from college is. Does that mean that I am a Hall of Famer? I doubt my .277 batting average and 59 home runs would have gotten me in. And I am fine with that.

I don't see why this distinction cannot be made who took PEDs and also had a record-setting impact. If we want to recognize PED users in the Hall, we can build them an exhibit, or even their own wing. We should acknowledge all of our history, both glorious and ugly. Like I am, with my paper, they can be in the Hall -- as a fixture and as a recognition of their accomplishments. But I don't see why they need a plaque.

What we celebrate -- what we enshrine -- should have a different set of criteria. We cannot treat induction into the Hall as simply an act of historical graduation -- automatic entry into the Hall because the numbers are in record books -- especially when the inductees did not stand on the shoulders of their predecessors so much as trample them into the ground with glee.

This is how society too often frames history: The winners tell the stories and end up on the pedestal. But how they get there matters, and if we put PEDs on a pedestal, it is one built with bricks etched with the names of many players left in their wake who also have compelling stories to tell.

Every record that Bonds broke was against another player. Bonds faced pitchers, just as Roger Clemens faced hitters. And the fact that so many baseball players -- myself included -- had to consistently try to beat out people who had a constant advantage is not something I can brush off simply because their final numbers made our eyes pop out of our heads.

For me, to do so would dismiss the time I spent playing out the 2000-2002 seasons while my father was in and out of the hospital, choosing to do it without PEDs despite my desperation to regain my form from the 1999 season. Or when I got hurt during a free-agent year and came back after surgery using underwater workouts and weight training, not HGH. Like many players, I scrapped, battled, aged, while others apparently just cheated age chemically.

It's not just Bonds. So many players from the steroid era -- the era of my own professional career -- bulldozed everyone else to pad their stats. Apologists couch it in competitive spirit or a relentless will to win, but in the end it was just egomaniacal avarice, unleashed to compensate for the same insecurity that every major league player feels.

With some of these players, their proponents make the argument that they would have been Hall of Famers whether or not they used. I have always been skeptical that anyone could know for sure when or if a player started taking PEDs. But more importantly, when you make a choice that artificially manipulates your performance and your future, it colors your past. Fairly or not.

We simply can't say what these enhanced players would do or be without the stuff. I was drafted in 1991, one pick in front of Manny Ramirez, a player some call the "greatest right-handed hitter of all time." Maybe he was; maybe he deserved to be drafted ahead of me. But I did not fail two tests and miss 150 games because of it. I do not know what kind of hitter he would have been without what he took. No one does. So talking about picking me over Ramirez is like comparing apples to oranges. We weren't even playing the same sport in the end. Good for him -- he made his money, he won world championships. But does he need to be enshrined as an example of the best of our sport? The answer to that question is really up to us.

I BELIEVE THE Hall of Fame and the BBWAA, its voting body for enshrinement, have been put in an impossible position. Theirs is always an unenviable task: Judging each generation of baseball players, matching them up against different eras -- navigating barriers placed from racism, exclusion, war or economic depression. But today, attempting to see through the fog of performance-enhancing drugs, it is as difficult as it has ever been for these voters.

Nearly a decade ago, I worked on a task force with the United States Anti-Doping Agency. I was helping to evaluate a report on youth sports to understand what gives young people the fullest, healthiest and most enjoyable experience when participating in sport. Also in the group was an ethicist by the name of Tom Murray, and he said something that stuck with me: "You reward what you value."

If we are to reward players with induction into the Hall, it should be based on our values. We are the ones who need to decide the difference between being great and being consequential. Some players, like Jackie Robinson, had no choice but to be both on and off the field, which allowed Doug Glanville to be able to be neither on the field, yet still matter. That was his gift to all of us.

If the Hall's shrine is the most amazing, singular place, one that has Jackie Robinson, Roberto Clemente, Ted Williams and Babe Ruth in its halls -- one that honors greatness -- it should be tough to get in. Really tough.

When you can cheat your way in, the Hall of Fame feels toothless. Some claim to not want the Hall's moral lecturing or character clauses, but we should want to declare that we have standards, not just calculators. We should use some semblance of context to understand who we are celebrating and why. I concede that we will make mistakes -- we probably already have -- but we have to keep fighting for principles while continuing to be humble enough to learn and adjust, instead of doubling down because steroid usage was so pernicious, inevitable and pervasive that we decided to give up.

The Hall does not have to be the ultimate determinant of one's value. In fact, it shouldn't. Most of us will never get in, but that does not mean we did not have worthy and valuable careers. We have to decide what it means, but I hope the answer pushes back on PEDs, not opens the door wider.

The Hall will face this dilemma for as long as it exists. Even with Bonds and Clemens shut out, the steroid debate is far from over: Alex Rodriguez just had his first round of voting, so this will be discussed every year until this group -- my group -- is long behind us or until the next scandal. Voters will move in and out, and continue to reframe the priorities of the time. They could even decide that idolization should end and we just focus on history. Not necessarily a bad idea. But until then, we can never escape that cold hard truth of what Tom Murray implores us. "Anything that undermines the relationship between excellence in performance and the best attributes of an athlete should not figure into success," he told me in a conversation this week. "For when you undermine the meaning of fair competition, you celebrate something that has nothing to do with competition or excellence in sport."

How we screen for the top honor in this sport says a lot about our game. Only time will tell how that plays out, but in the meantime, next time you are in Cooperstown, look for my paper in the archives. My name is on it.

I hope it always matters that I actually wrote it.


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To: cpdiii

The former Giants great was caught up in the infamous BALCO scandal that rocked the sporting world, in which he allegedly took a performance-enhancing anabolic steroid known as ‘the Clear’, which was undetectable by any doping tests.


41 posted on 01/31/2022 3:56:52 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: nickcarraway

Shouldn’t there be a story in the Babylon Bee about Barry Bonds’s pharmacist being elected to the Hall of Fame?


42 posted on 01/31/2022 4:24:44 PM PST by omega4412
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To: alternatives?

Amphetamines did not become illegal until 1970 — not sure what MLB policy was prior to that though the Rolling Stones did have a song about them in Mother’s Little Helper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OusADDs_3ps

Cheers!


43 posted on 01/31/2022 4:25:04 PM PST by DoubleNickle
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To: nickcarraway

I lived on the same street as Barry when we were kids, about 5 houses down. He was arrogant even as a child. My oldest sister used to babysit for him; she called him “the brat”.


44 posted on 01/31/2022 4:46:22 PM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: DoubleNickle

The question is were baseball stats before 1970 padded because of use of amphetamines (legal or non-legal)? There was a cocaine era in there as well. Some of the muscle building drugs used by ballplayers in the 80’s were not banned by MLB at the time.

I remember questions about some of the training regimens and diet of Maguire, Bonds, and Sosa at the time they were hitting the homeruns but baseball ignored it because the fans were starting to watch. Since baseball turned a blind eye then, keeping them out of the HOF seems hypocritical. Since the voting was done by media employees, I wouldn’t expect anything less.


45 posted on 01/31/2022 5:08:20 PM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: bort
Rose’s gambling did not impact the outcome of a single game.

Curious as to how you can maintain that a manager of a team who gambles on his team does not impact the outcome of a single game.

46 posted on 01/31/2022 5:51:49 PM PST by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: nickcarraway

“You reward what you value.”


47 posted on 01/31/2022 6:04:38 PM PST by sitetest (Professional patient. No longer mostly dead. Again. It's getting to be a habit.)
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To: EEGator

Was there a test?


48 posted on 01/31/2022 6:32:04 PM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Clutch Martin

No.


49 posted on 01/31/2022 6:34:28 PM PST by EEGator
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To: awelliott

Curious as to how you can maintain that a manager of a team who gambles on his team does not impact the outcome of a single game.
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A manager’s job is to win games. Rose may have benefited from inside information, but his betting interest was to win the games he bet on. The opposite of point-shaving, which is what the anti-gambling rule is in place for.


50 posted on 02/01/2022 3:47:56 AM PST by bort
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To: kosciusko51

Respectfully, your logic is circular. Baseball could lift his lifetime suspension at any time. If Rose played for the Boston Red Sox or the New York Yankees, he would’ve been enshrined 20 years ago.


51 posted on 02/01/2022 3:56:39 AM PST by bort
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To: Reily

Yes, I’ve heard Shoeless Joe’s relatives have repeatedly petitioned the Hall of Fame. No proof he ever took any money but, like Buck Weaver, he sat on information. I always felt that these guys and Pete Rose (betting on his own team) got a raw deal at worst and equal punishment for what was clearly not an equal crime at best.


52 posted on 02/01/2022 6:31:32 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: nickcarraway

What about NFL quarterbacks breaking records when the rules changed to protect the quarterback and previous quarterbacks had to take a beating to get their records?


53 posted on 02/01/2022 6:34:08 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: EEGator

‘Are they allowing anyone from the 90’s?’

I always get a laugh out of people complaining about so and so using PED’s, and thus ‘cheating’; well, instead of bitching, maybe these whiners could, like, take a couple of PED’s themselves, and try competing with the ‘cheaters’ and beating then at their own game...

I’ve read that Tom Brady is highly conscious of his diet and workout routine, maintaining it is necessary for him to compete; does this not give him an unfair advantage over someone like Jared Lorenzen or Ken Stabler, who never turned down a beer or a bag of pork rinds, and whose idea of a workout was simply squeezing into a uniform...? what about the vitamin popper, the guy who gets more regular sleep, the guy who maintains his weight at optimal levels for play; aren’t they cheating as well, since what they do gives them a leg up...

as for Barry Bonds...? I heard he was a lousy teammate, I’d keep him out for that, but as a baseball slugger, he was one of the best, so yeah, he should be in the Hall...


54 posted on 02/01/2022 7:55:21 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: cpdiii

‘It pains me greatly to see the old records being beaten by men using steroids.’

many of the old records are beaten not by men using steroids, but by those who are healthier than the old timers (as we today mostly are compared to our forebears), and who devote more time to the game as their profession, and who have competed all their lives at numerous levels of the sport; are all of those not unfair advantages that they enjoy compared to the turn of the century players, most of whom smoked, drank, and caroused prodigiously...?

if we revere the old timers records, are we also going to require that later players be as unhealthy as the oldsters were, so as to not muddy the waters when it comes to comparing acheivement...?


55 posted on 02/01/2022 8:05:20 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: The Antiyuppie

and Roger Maris/Babe Ruth for the single season record (yes, I know about THAT controversy).’...’

I’ve never understood why that was a controversy; after 154 games, Maris had 59 homers, the same as Ruth in 1921...Ruth also hit 60 homers in that same number of games in 1927, thus Ruth is the champion, regarding those two players...


56 posted on 02/01/2022 8:17:49 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: bort
Baseball could lift his lifetime suspension at any time. If Rose played for the Boston Red Sox or the New York Yankees, he would’ve been enshrined 20 years ago.

Baseball is not going to do that. Pete Rose was suspended because he broke Rule 21D:

Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently ineligible.

Rose accepted the punishment for betting as a Club official (manager) with "a duty to perform."

57 posted on 02/01/2022 3:32:26 PM PST by kosciusko51
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