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To: ThunderSleeps
I have been fairly saddened to see the bullying on both sides, though in all candor the pro-shot lot get the Grand Prize.

I don't think people who took shots are sheep - people with comorbidities, who are older, etc., taking a shot that offers a 94% reduction in infection likelihood seems like a fair trade off vs long-term clinical trials.

But the vective spewed at those who suggested that VE may wane, the potential long-term downside impacts of these shots, and so on, has been disheartening/bordering on angering. A key element of "science" is assiduous disputation...unless it's political science.

Now we have a SCOTUS case, that can potentially erode fundamental civil rights, arising from a mandate to take shots with zero VE against Omicron per this study. SOLELY on the basis of zero VE, the case should be dismissed.

I've seen a few people become red-pilled recently. I hope it continues.

8 posted on 01/12/2022 7:24:16 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob
Again I find myself agreeing with you. There has been a lot of ah "heated words" exchanged on both side. Even in my previous post I said something to the effect of the vaccinated having to admit they made the wrong choice. I shouldn't have said that. As you point out, and something I have believed from the start, the vaccines - even with all their issues - may still be the best option for some people. For other (like me) they are a terrible option.

The key here is, we should all have a choice to make our own decisions. If someone decides the vaccine is right for them, go for it, best of luck. If someone wants to pass on the vaccine, go for it, best of luck. I've made my position and reasons pretty clear. I'm also willing to listen as new information is coming out all the time. (that's the nature of a drug trial, we learn as we go)

What I have a big problem with is when coercion comes into play. Losing jobs, denied access to healthcare, paying penalties for healthcare, denied access to businesses, forced quarantine camps, etc. That is just wrong, legally and morally.

11 posted on 01/12/2022 8:02:50 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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