Sen. Ted Cruz to FBI: Who is Ray Epps?

I wish we had someone who would fight for our country at that level. There are a few. Very few.

Correct. Big difference between

I do not know vs. I can’t answer that

So...now we know there was indeed at least informants and now we know GOVERNMENT provocateurs in the crowd leading up to the events on 1/6.

It really looks like a lot of innocent people got stupidly got caught up in the moment.

We have video of “officers” (most likely not real Capitol Police)waving people into the building, we have video of “others” breaking into the building before Trump’s speech was even over. How many of those people are the ones that caused all the actual damage to the building?

Seriously, very seriously what a boatload of doggy doo-doo!

The ultimate plan to be able to bring down President Trump’s last days in office and be able to put on a ‘show trial’ like never before seen. The thought they could paint, Trump supporters, with the broad brush of violence.

not really that good. the appropriate follow up, is an incredulous “why the hell not?”

<>This is scary stuff that the Fbi has this much deniability and gets away with it before the Senate.<>

Federal agencies, created by Congress, used to be accountable to Congress.

Today, said agencies can flip off Congress without fear.

Unfortunately, most congressmen have no problem with this outrage.

And in the end, we’ll just keep voting. As if it matters.

“ He’s puts on a good show, I’ll give him that much.”

Going places only a few others are willing to go.

# Cruz playing both sides. He really doesn’t care who Ray Epps is.

Yup. Pretty much my thought as well. He never did get a straight answer. “not to my knowledge” is not an actual answer. You tell the bitch to come back next week prepared to answer a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer, under oath without weasel words.

someone also needs to start publicly calling the corrupt agency exactly what it is, and start asking pointed questions about EXACTLY how far down the corruption goes, and why the agency allows and ENCOURAGES that corruption to continue.

A lot of us wish he would just go home.

If you had actually watched the video you wouldn’t have called it a bitch. A Butch, maybe...

Not only did we have federal agents working as agitators, we also had agitators employed by the NY Times, CNN, Sky News, MSNBC, ...and a probable Russian provocateur who escaped to Belarus. One wonders if in the end we will find that they outnumbered “Trump supporters” doing actual break ins.

No, she didn’t admit a thing.

# If you had actually watched the video you wouldn’t have called it a bitch. A Butch, maybe...

LOL. there is that. I stand corrected.

It’s also pretty clear that it is all nothing but theater.

Contempt of Congress
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress

Contempt of Congress[1] is the act of obstructing the work of the United States Congress or one of its committees. Historically, the bribery of a U.S. Senator or U.S. Representative was considered contempt of Congress. In modern times, contempt of Congress has generally applied to the refusal to comply with a subpoena issued by a congressional committee or subcommittee—usually seeking to compel either testimony or the production of requested documents.[2]

Contents
1 History
2 Subpoenas
3 Procedures
3.1 Inherent contempt
3.2 Statutory proceedings
3.3 Civil procedures
4 Partial list of those held in contempt since 1975
5 See also
6 References
7 External links

History
In the late 1790s, declaring contempt of Congress was considered an “implied power” of the legislature, in a similar manner as the British Parliament could make findings of contempt of Parliament—early Congresses issued contempt citations against numerous individuals for a variety of actions. Some instances of contempt of Congress included citations against:

Robert Randal, for an attempt to bribe Representative William Smith of South Carolina in 1795.[3]
William Duane, a newspaper editor who refused to answer Senate questions in 1800.[4]

Nathaniel Rounsavell, another newspaper editor, for releasing sensitive information to the press in 1812.[5]
In Anderson v. Dunn (1821),[6] the Supreme Court of the United States held that Congress’ power to hold someone in contempt was essential to ensure that Congress was “... not exposed to every indignity and interruption that rudeness, caprice, or even conspiracy, may mediate against it.”[6] The historical interpretation that bribery of a senator or representative was considered contempt of Congress has long since been abandoned in favor of criminal statutes. In 1857, Congress enacted a law that made “contempt of Congress” a criminal offense against the United States.[7]

In the Air Mail Scandal of 1934 William MacCracken, former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Aeronautics, was sentenced to ten days of detention for destroying evidence under subpoena. MacCracken appealed his sentence to the Supreme Court in Jurney v. MacCracken. After losing his case he surrendered to Chelsey Jurney, Senate sargeant at arms, who detained him in a room at the Willard Hotel.

While it has been said that “Congress is handcuffed in getting obstinate witnesses to comply”,[8] cases have been referred to the United States Department of Justice.[9] The Office of Legal Counsel has asserted that the President of the United States is protected from contempt by executive privilege.[10][11]

Subpoenas
The Supreme Court affirmed in Watkins v. United States (1957) that “[the] power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process” and that “[it] is unquestionably the duty of all citizens to cooperate with the Congress in its efforts to obtain the facts needed for intelligent legislative action. It is their unremitting obligation to respond to subpoenas, to respect the dignity of the Congress and its committees and to testify fully with respect to matters within the province of proper investigation.”[12] Congressional rules empower all its standing committees with the authority to compel witnesses to produce testimony and documents for subjects under its jurisdiction. Committee rules may provide for the full committee to issue a subpoena, or permit subcommittees or the chairman (acting alone or with the ranking member) to issue subpoenas.

As announced in Wilkinson v. United States (1961),[13] a congressional committee must meet three requirements for its subpoenas to be “legally sufficient.” First, the committee’s investigation of the broad subject area must be authorized by its chamber; second, the investigation must pursue “a valid legislative purpose” but does not need to involve legislation and does not need to specify the ultimate intent of Congress; and third, the specific inquiries must be pertinent to the subject matter area that has been authorized for investigation.

The Court held in Eastland v. United States Servicemen’s Fund (1975)[14] that congressional subpoenas are within the scope of the Speech and Debate clause which provides “an absolute bar to judicial interference” once it is determined that Members are acting within the “legitimate legislative sphere” with such compulsory process. Under that ruling, courts generally do not hear motions to quash congressional subpoenas; even when executive branch officials refuse to comply, courts tend to rule that such matters are “political questions” unsuitable for judicial remedy. In fact, many legal rights usually associated with a judicial subpoena do not apply to a congressional subpoena. For example, attorney–client privilege and information that is normally protected under the Trade Secrets Act do not need to be recognized.[15]

Procedures
Following the refusal of a witness to produce documents or to testify, the committee is entitled to report a resolution of contempt to its parent chamber. A committee may also cite a person for contempt but not immediately report the resolution to the floor. In the case of subcommittees, they report the resolution of contempt to the full committee, which then has the option of rejecting it, accepting it but not reporting it to the floor, or accepting it and reporting it to the floor of the chamber for action. On the floor of the House or the Senate, the reported resolution is considered privileged and, if the resolution of contempt is passed, the chamber has several options to enforce its mandate.

Inherent contempt
Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment, imprisonment for coercion, or release from the contempt citation).[16]

Concerned with the time-consuming nature of a contempt proceeding and the inability to extend punishment further than the session of the Congress concerned (under Supreme Court rulings), Congress created a statutory process in 1857. While Congress retains its “inherent contempt” authority and may exercise it at any time, this inherent contempt process was last used by the Senate in 1934, in a Senate investigation of airlines and the U.S. Postmaster. After a one-week trial on the Senate floor (presided over by Vice President John Nance Garner, in his capacity as Senate President), William P. MacCracken Jr., a lawyer and former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Aeronautics who was charged with allowing clients to remove or rip up subpoenaed documents, was found guilty and sentenced to 10 days imprisonment.[17]

MacCracken filed a petition of habeas corpus in federal courts to overturn his arrest, but after litigation, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress had acted constitutionally, and denied the petition in the case Jurney v. MacCracken.[18][19]

Statutory proceedings
Following a contempt citation, the presiding officer of the chamber is instructed to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia;[20] according to the law it is the duty of the U.S. Attorney to refer the matter to a grand jury for action.

The criminal offense of contempt of Congress sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not more than $100,000 or less than $100.[9]

Civil procedures
Senate Rules authorize the Senate to direct the Senate Legal Counsel to file a civil action against any private individual found in contempt. Upon motion by the Senate, the federal district court issues another order for a person to comply with Senate process. If the subject then refuses to comply with the Court’s order, the person may be cited for contempt of court and may incur sanctions imposed by the Court. The process has been used at least six times.

Partial list of those held in contempt since 1975
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Person Subcommittee/Committee Chamber Ultimate Disposition
Rogers C.B. Morton,
Secretary of Commerce November 11, 1975
Subcommittee of the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce Not considered Morton released the material to the subcommittee.
Henry Kissinger,
Secretary of State November 15, 1975
House Select Committee on Intelligence Not considered Citation dismissed after “substantial compliance” with subpoena.
Joseph A. Califano Jr.,
Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare August 6, 1978
Subcommittee of the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce Not considered Califano complied with the subpoena about one month after the subcommittee citation.
Charles W. Duncan Jr.,
Secretary of Energy April 29, 1980
Subcommittee of the House Committee on Government Operations Not considered Duncan supplied the material by May 14, 1980.
James B. Edwards,
Secretary of Energy July 23, 1981
Environment, Energy, and Natural Resources Subcommittee of the House Committee on Government Operations Not considered Documents were delivered to Congress prior to full Committee consideration of the contempt citation.
James G. Watt,
Secretary of the Interior February 9, 1982
Subcommittee of House Committee on Energy and Commerce
February 25, 1982
House Committee on Energy and Commerce Not considered The White House delivered documents to the Rayburn House Office Building for review by Committee members for four hours, providing for no staff or photocopies.
Anne Gorsuch,
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency December 2, 1982
Oversight Subcommittee of the House Committee on Public Works and Transportation
House Committee on Public Works and Transportation

House of Representatives U.S. Attorney Stanley S. Harris never presented the case to a Grand Jury as required by law.[21] After legal cases and a court dismissal of the Executive Branch’s suit, the parties reached an agreement to provide documents and withdrew contempt citation.
Rita Lavelle,
EPA official April 26, 1983
House Committee on Energy and Commerce House of Representatives Indicted for lying to Congress; convicted; sentenced to 6 months in prison, 5 years probation thereafter, and a fine of $10,000
Jack Quinn,
White House Counsel May 9, 1996
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Not considered Subpoenaed documents were provided hours before the House of Representatives was set to consider the contempt citation.
David Watkins,
White House Director of Administration
Matthew Moore, White House aide
Janet Reno,
Attorney General August 6, 1998
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Not considered The majority of documents in question were released following the conclusion of the Department of Justice investigation into campaign finance violations of 1996. However, an additional memo was withheld and later claimed as privileged by the George W. Bush administration. [22]
Harriet Miers,
Former White House Counsel July 25, 2007
House Committee on the Judiciary[23] February 14, 2008 House of Representatives[24] On March 4, 2009, Miers and former Deputy Chief of Staff to President Bush Karl Rove agreed to testify under oath before Congress about the firings of U.S. attorneys
Joshua Bolten, White House Chief of Staff
Eric Holder, Attorney General June 20, 2012
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform[25] June 28, 2012 House of Representatives Found in contempt by a vote of 255–67[26][27]
Lois Lerner
Director of the IRS Exempt Organizations Division March 11, 2014
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform[28] May 7, 2014[29] House of Representatives Found in contempt for her role in the 2013 IRS controversy and refusal to testify. The Department of Justice has been directed by the House to appoint special counsel. (See: Finding Lois Lerner in contempt of Congress (H.Res. 574; 113th Congress))
Bryan Pagliano
IT director, Hillary Clinton aide September 13, 2016
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform[30][31] Not considered House Committee voted, 19–15, to recommend Pagliano for a contempt resolution for failing to appear during a September 13 and 22, 2016, hearing after being subpoenaed and submitting a written Fifth Amendment plea in lieu of appearing in person.[30][31][32] No contempt resolution was considered by the chamber but Committee member Jason Chaffetz subsequently addressed a letter to the US Attorney General, writing as an individual member of Congress, requesting DOJ prosecution of Pagliano for misdemeanor “contumacious conduct.”[33]
Backpage.com March 17, 2016
Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations March 17, 2016[34] Senate Found in contempt for failing to provide documents in an investigation into human trafficking.
William P. Barr, United States Attorney General
Wilbur Ross, United States Secretary of Commerce

House Committee on Oversight and Reform July 17, 2019, House of Representatives[35] Refusal to Comply with Subpoenas Duly Issued by the Committee on Oversight and Reform
Donald Trump, President of the United States December 3, 2019
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
December 4, 2019
House Committee on the Judiciary

December 18, 2019, House of Representatives[36] Impeached by the House of Representatives on Obstruction of Congress; acquitted by the Senate on February 5, 2020.
Chad Wolf, United States Secretary of Homeland Security September 17, 2020
House Homeland Security Committee[37] Not considered Acting Homeland Secretary Chad Wolf defies subpoena and skips House hearing as he faces whistleblower allegations that he urged department officials to alter intelligence.
Stephen K. Bannon October 18, 2021
House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack[38]

October 21, 2021, House of Representatives
Mark Meadows December 14, 2021, House of Representatives

And in the end, we’ll just keep voting. As if it matters.

Almost tagline worthy. So I updated the tagline page.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3992415/posts?page=334#334

“ A lot of us (liberals) wish he would just go home.”

A lot of us gullible shmucks wish he would run for president.

Of course she did. If he was not an agent of the FBI, then she would have just answered “no”. The very fact that she said she couldn’t answer is an affirmation.

“While it has been said that “Congress is handcuffed in getting obstinate witnesses to comply”,[8] cases have been referred to the United States Department of Justice.”

That’s the weak link in the whole system, as Eric Holder aptly demonstrated. If the DOJ or one of its political allies is the one in contempt, Congress is completely toothless.