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To: nickcarraway

“As American ICUs fill up with mostly unvaccinated patients”

Where’s the Data on this?


5 posted on 01/07/2022 4:29:40 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

They said it, isn’t that enough? (/barf)


14 posted on 01/07/2022 4:35:14 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Paladin2

The data is in front of anyone who treats this disease. However I will take exception to the system iCUs are filling up. They are. But currently no Covid PNa cases.

Omicron is not advancing to ICU level of care


18 posted on 01/07/2022 4:40:21 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Paladin2

“As American ICUs fill up with mostly unvaccinated patients”

Where’s the Data on this?

Well here is Texas under Republican Gov Abbot and the head of the Texas Health dept who is also a Republican.

Unvaccinated are dying 20:1 over vaccinated in Texas

Is Abbott lying?

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/news/releases/2021/20211108.aspx


33 posted on 01/07/2022 4:58:45 PM PST by setter
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To: Paladin2
Where’s the Data on this?

There is none.

It is an article of faith for the True Believers in The Narrative(tm) that the unvaccinated must be sicker than the vaccinated.

It would be trivial matter for hospitals to collect this data and make official reports to the States that would bolster The Narrative(tm). But they don't do that. And the States don't ask for such data. The conclusion is that they don't want to know. Instead, we get scattered anecdotes which cannot be verified.

Meanwhile, the official Government statistics from Great Britain and Israel clearly indicate there is no significant difference in the outcomes for vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. The incidence of infection in exposed populations is about the same. The incidence of serious or fatal complications is about the same.

The "vaccines" don't do anything useful. There are indicators that they do a lot of things that are very harmful in both short-term and long term.

The Insurance companies know this by now. There is big money riding on accurate predictions of mortality rates and a compelling incentive for accurate, unbiased data. They do not make the mistake of believing their own propaganda and have no use for Government propaganda at all.

The "All Cause" mortality rates have been rising for several years now, and very sharply in the 16-60 age groups where this was not expected. The Insurance companies have put their smartest people on projects to discover the reasons for this.

The biggest increase has been in the last 18 months and tracks unnervingly well with "vaccination" rates in the general population. Their actuaries can tell you to six decimal places what the mortality rates are right now for any combination of age, gender, racial or ethnic background, sexual orientation, religion, and "vaccination status".

They are sitting on a political firestorm should they publicize their findings. The data most certainly does not support "The Narrative(tm)".

Of course, Insurance companies have enough money to buy and sell politicians. No doubt they are working on campaigns to discreetly raise their rates and cross-subsidize the more costly "vaccinated" population (if that becomes necessary) without raising too much alarm.

They will ask for, and probably get, major concessions from the Government to stay as quiet as possible about what they know.

58 posted on 01/07/2022 5:24:21 PM PST by flamberge (Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear)
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There are multiple papers that have been released from several states, including red states, along with various hospitals required to track and capture demographic statistics. Most of the number were recorded between January 2021 to November 2021.

They uniformly show that through Delta, the vaccinated patients were up to 90% more likely, depending on the group, to survive severe COVID infection.

Right now until I see the verifiable numbers, I won’t believe anything I read about Omicron. Seems to be a massive improvement though.

107 posted on 01/07/2022 6:47:37 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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