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To: DoodleBob
— “I think anti-vaxx sensationalism is as wrong as looking the other way at Dubya’s failures in 2004. Your mileage may vary.”

Interesting assumptions, which in general I share. But....

“Anti-vaxx” is a very large portrait compared to being skeptical about a phase three, continuing clinical trial with legal liability shields for experimental mRNA product(s), in which mandating participation in an official experiment is somehow deemed morally good while skepticism is morally bad.

I hope I haven't shown “sensationalism” in my posts of simple arithmetic and official data.

I am several times vaccinated in my life, including for the bubonic plague during the Vietnam era courtesy of the US Army. On another subject, if your HP12c is among the first, you have a somewhat historical critter. I have among my collection an HP-35 in its gray protective plastic box. We must be getting old.....

91 posted on 01/07/2022 6:29:47 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
My good FRiend I wasn't singling anyone out. And certainly not you.

For the record, there are good studies on clinical trial success/failure here and here which clearly show that these shots haven't been subject to comparable rigor. Thus, I totally get your point.

I'll even go further, and state that releasing these shots under EUAs was ok. This isn't the flu. It's a nasty virus that kills immunocompromised people disproportionately. Many people with comorbidities can and have done their weighing of pros and cons with the proviso that those shots haven't run a full race yet. It's like declaring who will win a baseball game at the end of the top half of the first inning. And that's a personal decision, and as your background shows, everyone's experience varies...that's freedom of choice, not anti-vaxx.

Mandating these shots is unconscionable. I don't care if Trump loves them or if Rand Paul (who wins 2021 Man of the Year for his gain of function questioning) hopes people get them. They're still under EUA and the declining Efficacy show the importance of long trials.

In closing, this HP 12c thread was one of the most entertaining.

92 posted on 01/07/2022 7:31:44 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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