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Emissions systems
6Jan 21

Posted on 01/06/2022 2:31:46 PM PST by rey

I occasionally drive big rigs. The emissions systems on the new trucks and particularly in California are crap making the vehicles very unreliable.

My question is, instead of various agencies mandating certain systems, like regen or DEF, and EGRs, and all that junk, would we have been better off if the various agencies simply said, here are the emission limits, meet them anyway you can?

My guess is that when engineers are given a free hand, they will find a solution.

Another question is, what might some of the solutions for cleaner trucks be if they could go outside the mandated box?


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1 posted on 01/06/2022 2:31:46 PM PST by rey
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Gee, just like Biden.


2 posted on 01/06/2022 2:33:23 PM PST by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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Once you understand their REAL motivations, you’ll understand why they mandate that way.


3 posted on 01/06/2022 2:34:57 PM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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My friend had the troublesome components removed and had them Deleted in the computer by a guy


4 posted on 01/06/2022 2:36:33 PM PST by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: rey

Congress no longer makes the laws.


5 posted on 01/06/2022 2:36:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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But if you remove and delete you have to reinstall everything to pass an emissions test and any officer inspecting would recognize such alterations and red tag you.


6 posted on 01/06/2022 2:39:05 PM PST by rey
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what might some of the solutions for cleaner trucks be if they could go outside the mandated box?

The solution is whatever can be done to create as much aggravation for the Trump SupportingComservative Truck Driver and as Mimi have money for the companies that will develop an unneeded system or engine so they can kickback money to the member of Congress that pushed/sponsored the bill that mandated the changes.


7 posted on 01/06/2022 2:39:16 PM PST by qaz123
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Quit being logical when considering liberal policies. Seriesly


8 posted on 01/06/2022 2:40:08 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (The kernel of our firm's job is to go with lots. - tnlibertarian job offer letter)
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When the government mandates a solution, it's them poking us in the eye and saying "We Know Better Than You", even when they clearly don't.

9 posted on 01/06/2022 2:42:00 PM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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My guess is that when engineers are given a free hand, they will find a solution.

Reminds me of the old story about how the Swedes cleaned up industrial river pollution. They simply mandated that plant water intakes had to be downstream from the plant discharge pipe.
10 posted on 01/06/2022 2:45:18 PM PST by BikerJoe
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EGR is ok when it works right. Variable turbo chargers make them run clean with the low sulfur fuel. The DEF will go away as soon as someone catches on it is Urea and bombs can be made. Just give it a little time and it will fix it’s self...


11 posted on 01/06/2022 2:47:37 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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“what might some of the solutions for cleaner trucks be if they could go outside the mandated box?”

Chain up 20 illegal immigrants to pedal power it like a Roman galley?


12 posted on 01/06/2022 2:54:36 PM PST by Boogieman
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Diesel particulates, soot, is the current target of the CARB. They are incrementally regulating diesel out of existence, forcing operators to buy new rigs they will regulate out a few years from now. All electric rigs are their preferred vehicles of the future.


13 posted on 01/06/2022 2:54:53 PM PST by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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I can’t believe a Freeper would post something like this.”Have the agencies issue limits and let the private sector deal with it” The agencies this person speaks of are staffed by idiots and tree hugging authoritarian’s who want to ban the internal combustion engine.I own 2 nearly new rolloff trucks.My 2019 Volvo has cost me $6000 in emission repairs since July .This truck only has 125,000 miles on it and all maintenance has been done on schedule at the Volvo dealer.The best way to fix the problem is to abolish the EPA and every other government agency that isn’t essential to the freedom and security of the USA.


14 posted on 01/06/2022 2:57:15 PM PST by trashiscash
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Bureaucrats prefer to regulate design rather than performance. Opportunities for graft are better that way.

In the 1960s it was headlights. The European manufacturer Cibie had a FAR superior headlight in every way, but they were illegal under DOT regs because they didn’t use the (markedly inferior) mandated lens design and they weren’t a “sealed beam”. We used them anyway.


15 posted on 01/06/2022 2:57:24 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan (qd4)
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Emission environment goals are bait and switch. Shutting down commerce and traffic is what they want. California leftists want silent earth, anti human - must sterilize!


16 posted on 01/06/2022 3:02:13 PM PST by conservativeimage (Spark up a fire. Light up this place. Burn out this darkness and tear down the fear.)
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You are missing the point. It is not about emissions. it is about control.

If they (properly) simply stated a science based (not likely) set of standards and state “your job is to meet these standards”, then the high likelihood is the solution will not be the one they are wanting (which is going to be servicing some primary objective like to increase costs to force you to an EV or something).


17 posted on 01/06/2022 3:04:13 PM PST by rigelkentaurus
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The new farm tractor are a nightmare.

Every problem they have been having usually comes down to emmissions.

What makes it worse is John Deere made it so farmers cannot repair their own tractors. it has to be taken back to the dealer for repairs. The dealers are not allowed to sell farmers repair parts for the new tractors (they can the old ones)

A frind has a new $130k Massey Ferguson which has been dwn for 6 months due to a circuit board that is backordered.


18 posted on 01/06/2022 3:07:38 PM PST by setter
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The 2019 International I was in shot a piston through the crank case in less than 250k miles. The piston was the size of what you’d find in a pickup. Throw-away trucks the result of meddling regulators.


19 posted on 01/06/2022 3:17:04 PM PST by conservativeimage (Spark up a fire. Light up this place. Burn out this darkness and tear down the fear.)
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The Government doesn’t want you to have a diesel truck at all. Don’t expect them to be reasonable.

The emission systems on my diesel pickup probably added $8K to the price. The biggest problem is the EPA not only requiring the systems, but shutting the truck down if you don’t fix the issue immediately. I had the “Limp mode in 150 miles - max speed 5 MPH” warning come on when I was towing my trailer over 500 miles from home. Fortunately, the fault cleared itself, but WTF? Shutting down my truck and stranding me is unacceptable.


20 posted on 01/06/2022 3:20:14 PM PST by ETCM
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