Posted on 01/04/2022 10:43:41 AM PST by basalt
Toyota passed G.M. in world sales in 2009...now this. I remember when japanese cars were ridiculed and called "rice burners"....unions ruined the American car companies.
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The Big Three American car companies have to navigate with the boat anchor known as the UAW. Get rid of the union and let the companies compete fairly, otherwise this disparity is only going to get worse.
total cost to have it replaced....I’m going from memory, I think it was a bit less than 250...
“what you see are the hidden costs of the unions”
That’s what I meant
“they have to cut somewhere to make up for the huge added costs of unions - so they cut where you won’t see it”
You won’t see it at first....some of the domestic vehicles don’t hold up over time because of cost cutting in materials and workmanship.
There’s a reason the Toyota Carolla has been in production since 1966.
Their vehicles last forever.
I was watching Gran Tour the other day and the three guys were suddenly gobsmacked at the sight of a derilict Toyota truck.They goggled at the thing all three admitting that they’d never seen such a thing before. EVER!
“im in Detroit...i had numerous family members that were U.A.W....the stuff they got away with was astonishing....stealing time....sleeping entire shifts making $90 an hour....drinking...drugs...shame on all of em.”
Damn! Even worse than I thought. Well, we do have our resident union apologist here, so be ready for him to tell us just how wonderful unions are.
Trivia point: When we occupied Japan, we molded their labor system on our, and sure enough the same crap resulted. However, they were starving so they couldn’t live with their unions acting up. So General MacCarthur concluded that wasn’t working and simply changed the laws - and the unions had no choice but to COOPERATE with ‘the man’, and that launched the Japanese Miracle.
(by the way, the assassination of Inejirō Asanuma in 1960, a horrible Socialist, also contributed greatly to Japan turning the corner)
True, but are the design engineers also union? They design sh*tty cars.
Outstanding...maybe not as much work as I’ve dealt with on my 1992 Mazda. I did that one and there wasn’t much left in front of the engine block when I got to it.
“I thought Chrysler killed off Saab.”
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No, it was GM that started their death spiral, I just looked it up. Didn’t know that. Nobody in my family has owned them since the Saab 9000 Aero turbos were out, which were outstanding cars. We had three of them ( family of seven bought them used from an import used car dealer in Salisbury, MA - black, silver and red - two at the same time and one a year later), all three we put on 300,000+ miles before trading them in on Toyotas no less (coincident that we all bought Toyotas, didn’t have a plan). My gawd those Saab 9000 Aeros would fly.
Um no.
Toyota has problems just like everyone else, especially when introducing new engine/transmission combos (i.e. pre 2014.5 Camry).
You just don't hear about it in the press, since they HATE EVERYTHING AMERICAN.
We have a Lexus RX 350, the quality of workmanship in this car is amazing! I have been underneath it a couple of times at the dealership. Everything is very accessible and easy to work on. Underneath the hood is pretty much the same. I’m sold on Toyota products.
Rust...GM's "Mark of Excellence"
Had a buddy who owned only Saabs from the mid 70’s to the mid 90’s. Well made for sure.
The Tacoma is a US only vehicle. (and very antiqauted in design)The rest of the world gets the more respected Hilux truck.
My wife HAD to have a GM years ago, didn’t want it but we got it. Biggest junk car I have ever owned…..
Always in shop and dropped its transmission at 80k
Never, ever will own one again… amazed people buy them at all.
Even the Chrysler I owned was 100 times better made than that GM.
I’ve owned pretty much every major manufacturer at some point with the exception of suburb and Honda… all were far far better cars than GM.
They don’t mention the early failure prone engines in the T100 due to sludge or the transmission problems in the early 90’s Camrys. Dad said it felt and sounded like someone hitting a 55 gallon barrel head with a 2 pound sledgehammer. They ended up lemoning it because the dealer couldn’t fix it.
Toyota used to put the oil filter right up on top of the engine. Then people bought cheap junk Fram filters that didn’t have the drain-back valve so the engine started dry every time. It didn’t take long to start hanging rods out the side of the block.
>>Most American cars are light years behind so many foreign cars. Very disappointing.
Yep, I have owned exactly one american made car in the past 20+/- years - and immediately after buying it had to spend the next 7 months taking legal action against the dealer to get my money back (it was a lemon, and the dealer and manufacturer refused to stand behind it). Under Mass law if they can’t fix it in three tries, they have to buy it back if the fault causes it to not pass required inspections. I ultimately prevailed, got my money back and then some - but had to pursue it all the way to the AG’s office in my state to get them to make it right.
Last American car I will ever buy.
are any of the Toyota plants in US u.a.w.?...i know they’ve been after the Tennessee operations for years and keep failing....
Any manufacturer that builds and sells a “K” car should be banned for life, same for the Plymouth Pacer, same for the Ford Pinto, or the Cordoba, or the “X” car, or the chevette or the vega - seriously, these are JUNK marketed as cars.
iv’e understood that from day 1...that Japanese stressed quality...if that meant shutting down the line...then so be it....
Toyota makes great cars.
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