Posted on 12/28/2021 8:40:56 AM PST by RicocheT
Compelling new evidence reveals a disconnect between the metrics used to analyze fuel costs and the realities that EV drivers face on the ground.
The More You Consider, the Worse EVs Look Again, the new research is just the first installment in a larger series, but its results are undeniably head-turning. The study found that:
Commercial charging rates are two to four times higher than residential rates.
Level 1 chargers cost an average of $600 to install and can take 20 hours to fully charge an EV.
Level 2 chargers are much faster but cost $1,600.
“Full charge” is a misleading term because charging past 90% is slow, difficult and unadvised, which means you get far fewer miles than the advertised ranges would have you believe. Gas vehicles, on the other hand, are good for 300-400 miles per tank.
Considering all of those factors, and presuming a greater reliance on commercial charging, it would cost $8.58 to fuel a mid-priced gas car that gets 33 mpg for 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon. Comparatively, a mid-priced EV — Tesla Model 3, Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt — would cost $12.95 per 100 miles.
Annually, presuming 12,000 miles driven, it would cost $1,030 to drive a gas car versus $1,554 for an EV.
This article originally appeared on GOBankingRates.com: Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?
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You’re most likely right.🙄
Missouri $2.81 yesterday and got .10 a gallon back on an upside app, so $2.71 net
“Since its pack replacement, the car’s original range of 240 miles has dropped to between 180 and 200 miles on a full charge, meaning a loss of as much as 25 percent.”
I have no idea where this comes from.
I got gas at H‑E‑B today at $2.65.
I review cars and I had the Ford Mach E for a week. Took it for a two hour highway drive that cost me $60 in charging fees, and about two hours charging time.
Made the identical trip a week later in my 2005 Audi A4 V6 Quattro and it cost me less than fifty and that was a week later when I finally needed to fill up, which took five minutes instead of two hours.
The Ford was nice, and would work well as a commuter vehicle, but it and I daresay most other EV’s suck for highway trips.
“I made an honest attempt and looked at Tesla before my last car purchase. Its not feasible. There damn sure isnt a cost savings.”
Take a look at a Mach e with Ford Purchase Option.
It seems like $4500-$6000 is a little steep in price to me.
A 50 amp breaker is at most $209.
The three wire cable is about $2/ lineal foot.
https://www.homedepot.com/s/50%20amp%20breaker?NCNI-5&Nao=48
Most electricians charge around $100/hr.
Where does the cost come from?
ummm, post #110 with the replacement battery?
The battery warranty assumes I'm depleting the energy at no more than 80% depth of discharge. To give me a little more life out of them, I've set my inverter to deplete the batteries no more than 70%. So of their true 30 kWh of storage total, I'm really using 21 kWh. With the cloudy weather we had yesterday I didn't have enough solar to fully charge the batteries. But I was still able to power the house all night on the batteries because cloudy winter days in Alabama tend to be mild weather days (little running of the electric variable speed heat pump). Even taking a hot shower before the sun rose and making the hybrid water heater turn on to warm the water back up didn't deplete the batteries the full 70% I allow them to be used.
Solar panels were made in Mission, TX, by Mission Solar. The inverter was made in North Carolina. The batteries were the only things made in Cheyna.
Don't get it for yourself unless you do your homework. I have things like a metal roof (no replacing of a shingle roof every 10 years, which would require temporarily removing the solar panels and re-installing them each time the roof was replaced). I have virtually no trees shading my house and I have a south-facing roof with a fairly steep pitch (angled just right to catch much needed sun in the winter when the sun is at a low angle). My inverter (which is also my charge controller) and my solar panel production have similar capacities so that neither one is a weak link reducing the overall capacity. (My charge controller can take in up to 10.5 kW, while solar panels combined in optimum conditions can produce 10.2 kW.) My six batteries can be charged rapidly (i.e. if I'm not using much power during the high sun part of a clear day and want all of that 10 kW to be charging my batteries). My inverter can produce up to 12 kW of AC power from DC (whether from the solar panels or the batteries or a combination of the two). That's almost always enough for two people living in a house (we rarely have multiple power hungry appliances on simultaneously to have a high demand of AC power at a given moment).
Oklahoma
Oklahoma.
Yep...stew in that!!
“A 50 amp breaker is at most $209. The three wire cable is about $2/ lineal foot. Most electricians charge around $100/hr. Where does the ($6500) cost come from?”
I didn’t come up with that number, but Home Depot is about $4/foot of 6/3 - and so if they did itemize, figure $6/ft is what they’ll charge a customer. I think where most people live, it’s closer $200/hr. for labor, certainly where I am. And a lot of labor is needed to do a ‘pretty’ job. The remaining cost is for the F350 that the electrician shows up in.
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I bought gas a couple of days ago in Washington State at $4.09, which is low for the area.
“and they drive with pride ...”
It depends on where you live, of course. In USSR-WA, where I live, hydroelectric power supplies about 50% of the electricity used.
Neither does flooding the San Andreas fault, I think I saw it in a James Bond documentary.
—”ABSOLUTELY WRONG YET YOU KEEP POSTING THIS NONSENSE!”
Thank you.
The skip over user function at the WSJ site can be very useful and time saving.
“NEVER ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE. THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.”
Twain
From the solar panels and huge windmill that will be required to be erected in every homeowner’s yard and roof. Those living in apartment will just have to run an extension cord from one of their electrical outlets to their car(s).
Sure, Teslas are great as long as the supply of chargers and electricity and batteries can meet the demand.
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