Posted on 12/28/2021 8:40:56 AM PST by RicocheT
Compelling new evidence reveals a disconnect between the metrics used to analyze fuel costs and the realities that EV drivers face on the ground.
The More You Consider, the Worse EVs Look Again, the new research is just the first installment in a larger series, but its results are undeniably head-turning. The study found that:
Commercial charging rates are two to four times higher than residential rates.
Level 1 chargers cost an average of $600 to install and can take 20 hours to fully charge an EV.
Level 2 chargers are much faster but cost $1,600.
“Full charge” is a misleading term because charging past 90% is slow, difficult and unadvised, which means you get far fewer miles than the advertised ranges would have you believe. Gas vehicles, on the other hand, are good for 300-400 miles per tank.
Considering all of those factors, and presuming a greater reliance on commercial charging, it would cost $8.58 to fuel a mid-priced gas car that gets 33 mpg for 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon. Comparatively, a mid-priced EV — Tesla Model 3, Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt — would cost $12.95 per 100 miles.
Annually, presuming 12,000 miles driven, it would cost $1,030 to drive a gas car versus $1,554 for an EV.
This article originally appeared on GOBankingRates.com: Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?
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“That’s a good point, and it is actually MORE IMPORTANT in an EV to worry about traffic jams, as you will eat up battery charge trying to stay warm (or cool) in EVs, where’s that’s only a very small factor for normal cars.”
Next time you are sitting at a light or in a jam put up your mpg display and watch it tick down!
” Model 3 with a years-old battery, one which Tesla acknowledges may have already lost almost an eighth of its total capacity.”
Did you make that garbage up?
Add in the yearly tax states charge just to have an EV, and it costs even more
“Add in the yearly tax states charge just to have an EV, and it costs even more”
What taxes?
garbage??? ya dint click the link on post #114, did ya...
“A 94% success rate at something MIT said could not be done.”
Raytheon too. I knew a guy from Newton who’s dad was a big shot there. They really got brainwashed, somehow. Hard to see how a country is supposed to defend itself when Leftists are allowed to run large defense firms.
So on your plug in hybrid...if not fully charged—but full tank of gas—what is the mileage difference? Have you taken any long trips with it to see what happens?
“My real complaint is the myth that electricity comes from the tooth fairy.”
Whereever the electricity comes from it doesn’t generate the tax revenue that gasolie or diesel fuel does. The average revenue from a gallon of gas is over 50 cents depending on the stae. They will soon figure out that they need to tax EV charging power at something similar or the states and feds will lose that tax revenue.
“I know 3 people who had the 220 volt chargers installed. The cheapest one was $4,500 and the most expensive was a bit over $6,000.”
Yep, you’re at the mercy of an electrical contractor and you will pay for his learning curve and the artificial shortage of contractors created by the licensing requirements (in other words, requiring a contractor to know how to wire a factory is a bit of overkill if he only intends to wire houses...which are far, far, easier to do).
Best option is to do it yourself or find someone who knows enough to do it. If you’re not interested in appearing on the cover of Better Homes and Gardens, adding a 240 VAC circuit is NOT difficult.
“When someone buys a new car, they generally expect to be getting a vehicle that’s fully up-to-date, not one built with leftover parts.”
Not built with leftover parts:
“”While this pack was brand new when the vehicle was built,”
“garbage??? ya dint click the link on post #114, did ya...”
I notice that we aren’t given full details ...
Of course they cropped out the part about these being demo cars ...
“Originally, the EV came, because Los Angeles has a smog problem. The California air quality board came with crazy requirements which only EV could satisfy. Nowadays, that’s forgotten, but now they think EV could solve Global warming (hoax).”
What solved the smog problem for cars was the use of fuel-injected, closed-loop systems. In fact, later model gasoline engine cars put out less emissions that electric cars in relatively smoggy situations (and that assumes zero smog from electricity generation).
So, if you wonder how a gasoline engine can put out less smog than an EV that doesn’t even process air to run - it winds up that tailpipe emissions on newer (and properly running) gasoline engines are actually CLEANER than the air going into the engines (again, in smog situations). They actually act as air purifiers.
“It would seem that if EVs were built in a way to have at least one of the batteries that was a standard size, then when one pulled into the ‘charging station’, there should be a ‘fresh battery’ there already charged and ready to go... out with the depleted one and in with another.”
The reason they haven’t yet done that in any electric car is because they would also have to charge for the depreciation of the batteries as they’re swapped out (so that they can later replace them). Once that is done, the cost of the swapped out batteries roughly equals the cost of gasoline for a gasoline-powered car, as depreciation costs roughly twice as much as charging these batteries.
“My step-son told me last weekend that the recycling in our area is just taken to the dump along with the other garbage because the prices the recyclers were paying is too low to make a profit so it’s cheaper to put it all in the landfill.”
Very true. They used to send it off to China to burn, but the air is so dirty there now that China stopped taking our garbage (a few years ago), so now they just dump it.
They do keep the ‘recycling’ programs going, though, as it does make people feel good.
EVs are about environmentalism the same way CoupFlu is about public health.
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I hear that the battery in EV’s is toxic. More toxic than driving an old gas guzzeler, oil-burning 1978 4 door sedan.
Be all smug?🙄
this is on the NEW battery... the only permanent part of the article
so is it new? or not? looks like only Tesla knew what's in the sales agreement, caveat emptor
“What sort of life expectancy are you counting on with your solar array? Many articles I’ve read limit the available life from an array at a maximum of 20 years down to as little as ten.”
True, the cheap ones from China seem to have short life times, as the materials, and particularly the adhesives are low-grade. They do especially poorly in hot climates, or where’s there a great deal of variation between seasons.
The better panels are likely good for 20 plus years, but cost significantly more, of course.
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