Posted on 12/27/2021 12:31:40 PM PST by Red Badger
I’m that way with solar. My solar system is pretty efficient and will pay for itself in about 10 years. That includes the cost of converting my gas appliances to electric and also paying monthly interest on the HELOC loan I used to pay for most of it. But that’s only because I used MY money and researched MY average power usage each month and had a system custom for MY house so that it’d benefit ME (and my wife) to keep us from worrying about our energy costs rising bigly and ruining our financial plan as we transition into retirement. Government and bureaucracies don’t have that incentive to be efficient. That’s why solar as the Dims push it (forcing the utilities to “go green”) doesn’t work and neither will EV’s done their way. But decentralized solar power works fine for some people and I think EV’s will too.
Capitalism at work, solving issues with reasonably billing consumers.
Contrast socialism, which would likely forbid landlords from addressing the issue, causing rent to skyrocket.
What is the cost per mile for the electricity to recharge them and how many locations have the excess capacity needed to charge a significant number of electric vehicles? We know that California is short on capacity.
With gasoline here running $5/g Tesla pals are spending about one fourth as much per mile.
There is complementary capacitor technology which charges in minutes. My suspicion is that Tesla doesn’t want to pay the royalties.
You bet, they’re very common. Like Honda cars in west LA. But most of them are driven by foreign nationals. So common in some countries Mercedes are often used as taxis. Btw, my point was not too many illegals in the Santa Ana area drive around in a Benz.
Teslas are fine for short distance commuting and being near home or charging stations. But what is the cost benefit ratio to the average person that doesn’t have 50-100G’s to plop down for a shiny new toy?....................
My wife and I were talking about EV’s last week. One would be fine. However, what happens when all your vehicles are EV’s? How many charging stations would you need at your house. In our case, with most of our kids gone, we would have 3 EV’s. I assume that we could get by with two charging stations.
At our lake place when the kids are all there we have 5 cars. When we have an “event” sometimes there are 40 cars there. How do you manage that?
I think most people imagine one charging station at a residence. We need to rethink that as EV’s become the only mode of transportation.
It’s an interesting realization.
I forget the term for it, but people have observed that 150 years ago, if there is only one telephone in the world, it is useless — who can you call? Two telephones in the world, and it’s a little useful. Over time, with more and more telephones, they become more and more useful. That, I think, is a very good product model.
But as you point out, EVs are the opposite. If one is enough, charge it at your house and maybe you’re OK. But as the number of EVs grow, they actually become more and more of a problem. That, I think, is a very poor product model. But many people don’s see it yet.
Will that recharge them?
That's why they are ALL made for towing..................
The power grid cannot handle recharging even a quarter of the cars being EV’s. It would melt down.........................
Do the environmental goobers appreciate the irony of electric cars in Indiana, where 53% of the electricity in the state is produced by coal fired generators (and 8 of the 10 largest generating stations are coal fired)?
I seriously doubt that you could keep ANY kind or electric vehicle charged with a single solar panel. Check the Watts rating on your panel, then check the Watt-hour rating of your battery. I'll bet your panel is at best around 50 Watts - that's with the sun shining directly on it. It goes to zero when the panel tilts away, or when clouds or shadows go over it. Now divide the Watt-Hour rating of your battery by the remaining Watts left after taking into account the full hours of direct sunlight. The number gives you the number of hours to fully charge the batteries. Remember that a Kilowatt is a thousand watts, so if your battery is rated in Kilowatt-hours, multiply that by 1,000 to get Watt-Hours.
I have only one question with regards to EVs.
What exactly is the “problem” they are trying to solve here?
We gots to save da ERF! We only gots 9 years!...............
If it only takes 5 minutes to recharge do you really care if the range is 200 or 300 miles? Recharge time is the thing they need to work on.
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Yes, but they are already hitting the physical limit.
The fast chargers are using like 360 KW of power. 1000A at 400V.
That’s like little power plant!
Pouring Gas into car is equivalent of ~4MW, ten times more.
The Palo Verde nuclear plant (largest in US) is about 4GW, so it produces power of 1000 Gas pouring stations. Or 10,000 fast charging stations.
Think about it - if everybody uses EV, how many Palo Verdes have to be added?
Pretty much as expected...
For the most part a joke...
For the EV to be anything remotely competitive to combustion for a non niche use, MINIMAL, and I do mean MINIMAL, requirement is 300 (realistically should be closer to 350-400) miles at highway speed with a 10 minute or less recharge.
Anything less is a commuter/second vehicle at most.
I don’t travel all the time, but I do travel, and far more than 300 miles at a pop. One of these vehicles, even the longest range of them would be absolutely useless. As a daily commuter, sure, as my only vehicle hell no.
Hell a GOLF CART could serve as my daily commuter honestly, but if I am going to pay 20-30k for a vehicle, not going to buy something that can’t fill all my needs.
First big problem is RANGE...
Next big issue is Recharge Time...
Third big problem is RECHARGE ACCESS...
And the forth and largest problem, is an electrical grid that can support it all..
EV mainstream advocates, like to ignore most of these issues.... and number 4, is a problem that is astronomical in scope and cost. (So is 3 for that matter, but 4 is the GIGANTIC one)_
Work is being done on one and two... three and especially 4, are not even on the radar..
300 Million cars, estimates are about 4000 KWH per car per year needed to power each of them...
1,200,000,000,000KWH to power them all...
To put that in context, the current total US Electrical production is:
3,902,000,000,000KWH per year
Or in other words, assuming ZERO growth in the number of cars on the road (not likely) the US Energy grid would need to produce another 30% more than it does today TOTAL.
Most people honestly don’t care how their transportation is powered, they care that it serves their needs and works... EV is a LONG LONG way from filling the general need adequately.
Could it someday, certainly anything can be done, but anytime soon? And will it really be any benefit if it does?
Time will tell I suppose.
Recharge stations are popping up around here at fast food places and public parks. They usually have three or four spots per place. BUT there is another problem you may not know about. Not all EVS have the same kind of CONNECTORS, so they have to have multiple types of recharge access cables to use.......................
I would agree with you if I was using it to commute. 😜
Another excellent point.
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