Deceptive videos used to link athlete deaths to COVID shots

The Associated Press, Breitbart ^ | December, 17th, 2021 | ANGELO FICHERA and SOPHIA TULP

[David Chase]

Jake West was a seemingly healthy 17-year-old when he collapsed during high school football practice in Indiana and died of sudden cardiac arrest. A video widely shared online falsely suggests COVID-19 vaccination is to blame, weaving headlines about him into a rapid-fire compilation of news coverage about athletes collapsing.

The vaccine played no role in West’s death — he died from an undiagnosed heart condition in 2013, seven years before the pandemic began.

“My tragedy of losing my son is always upsetting, and to think that somebody would use that for their gain is very upsetting,” she said. “It’s mind-boggling to me that there are people out there like that that want to spread or have their own agenda.”

[David Chase]

Approx 23,000 young people, mostly under the age of 25 years die from sudden cardiac arrest a year.

I went through the same thing here when Bell’s Palsy was the big anti-vaxxer news. (43,000 approx Bell’s Palsy cases a year, going back from 2018)

The number 300 you posted is or will be added to sadly many others that die EVERY year from sudden cardiac death type issues. WPW being the usual one.

Remember the College Basketball player back in the 90’s the died suddenly on the court?
That brought attention to the disease.

I think the latest number is 220 Million Americans have have at least one or more of any given Covid vaccine.

20,000 deaths is a sad and a horrible for families.

So is over 800,000 deaths from Covid.

20,000 deaths is horrible. But we’re not sure how many are truly “Vaccine Related”.

But let’s say they all are……….220,000,000 vaccinated and 20,000 deaths is less than .01%.

.01% is more of an oddity than a trend.

[zeugma]

# The number of athletes having heart issues has skyrocketed. You and another disgusting liar, the AP, cherry pick this one that was not related to the jab and DECEITFULLY explain away all the others that were. The American Heart Association has acknowledged the problem IS REAL.

Yup. This is nothing but agitprop brought to you from the usual suspects.

[Hostage]

If an athlete dies from a heart seizure incorrectly associated with pandemic serums, does that make false the overall suspicion of such serum side effects?

If some data group reports 99 true cases of heart seizures associated with pandemic serums and only 1 case incorrectly attributed to said serums, does that acquit the culpability of unapproved serum harm?

If so, then explain the following:

Mountain bike legend Kyle Warner posts crushing video on incivility over ‘career-ending’ vaccine side effects

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11/15/mountain-bike-legend-kyle-warner-posts-crushing-video-on-incivility-over-career-ending-vaccine-side-effects-1163665

This is why data scientists gather data and why statistics are extracted from such data gathered. It is well known that any dataset will contain errors, measurement errors, report errors, and in politics, outright lies, tricks, and schemes.

The only way to draw accurate inference is to observe many cases and calculate unbiased statistics BUT ONLY AFTER the methods of data acquisition have been reviewed so as to rule out selection bias and assorted shenanigans.

Because data review and statistics can take longer, it is often the news hustlers that find counterexamples to accuse their political adversaries.

But in time the numbers come in to paint the overall accurate picture of what is going on.

[zeugma]

# What I find so frustrating is how difficult it has become to get any facts that people ‘on both sides’ can actually agree on….

Personally, I think that this situation is exactly according to design.

[CatHerd]

My original join date here was in May 2000. More than a few old-timers know me from the old days. I have no worries, as JimRob is free to check out my history any time.

Why do you persist in being so combative, when we likely could make common cause? I don’t think you are a conspiracy nut, and hope you will reconsider, based on my history, and not consider me a “Fauci dupe”.

I think we need to vigorously and honestly oppose the thuggery (mandates and lockdowns, for example) and that we need to get to the bottom of *real* contraindications for the vaccines and *especially* oppose mandates for vaccinating young children.

Keyword is honestly. All this nonsense about tiny razor blades, squiggly parasites, magnetism, AIDs, etc — and, yes, the idiot* claims about pilots relying on deaths of long-retired elderly pilots, and dubious* claims about athlete deaths — are counterproductive and harm our side.

Again, I *do* sympathize with your dismay that they are “blocking all the exits”. I don’t really know how to make that plainer. Perhaps you are too upset to hear my agreement?

*There may well be legitimate concerns about younger healthy men, whether pilots or athletes or not. It does appear so. But these wild baseless claims make it harder to press for investigation into *real* cases and causes.

[linMcHlp]

In the context of facing a range of viri, that, in response to, a large population of individuals’ immune systems demonstrate a NARROW range of symptoms and outcomes . . . over time, there tend to develop, expectations of such symptoms and outcomes.

But, in the context of facing SARS-2-CoV, that, in response to, a large population of individuals’ immune systems demonstrate a RELATIVELY WIDER range of symptoms and outcomes . . . what we have been observing, may teach us to appreciate that:

What we may expect, based upon previous experience, does not apply well, here in the present mess.

Such that, the unique nature and performance of one individual’s immune system, may be found (when the dust settles) to have been of greater value -— if understood, carefully -— to have some predictive ability re the course of treatment, the course of prevention, and some combination of those two.

From what I have found, in reading, Ivermectin (IVM) does actually work *in some cases* - and there, I think for now, with respect to those cases’ unique immune systems; but in other cases, Ivermectin (IVM) does not appear to work.

Same for some other medications and suggested treatments that have been proposed - and work for some people but not for other people.

Another way of looking at it, from my point of view, is, I wish there were reliable tests of each person’s immune system, the results (of the test) helping to choose the better regimen per individual and said individual’s immune system - doing the least harm to said immune system.

One thing that I am certain about, is that the viability of a person’s lymphatic system, needs to be examined BEFORE taking any of the so-called “vaccine” innoculations.

Another thing, is that I do lean strongly toward trusting the BEFORE any vaccine, immune system - to achieve what some call, natural immunity.

I do NOT trust, that the so-called “vaccines”

- coach an immune system to provide immunity to SARS-2-CoV

- prevent tranmission of SARS-2-CoV (from you, to whomever)

- prevent against “getting” COVID-19 (again . . .)

I am certain, that follow-up testing, that examines the structure of various immune system bodies’ shapes, must be performed, to see if, for just one example, the Red Blood Cells manage to return to normal.

The SARS-2-CoV spikes, whether expressed on the surface of your own cells or part of the virus itself, seem to elicit an immune system response that weakens and/or deforms to some extant, some of *some peoples’* immune system bodies/pieces/parts -— that become a problem in the tiny blood vessels: capillaries.

For now, I suspect that is a focal point, of the trouble for a significant number of people.

[kiryandil]

From what I have found, in reading, Ivermectin (IVM) does actually work *in some cases* - and there, I think for now, with respect to those cases’ unique immune systems; but in other cases, Ivermectin (IVM) does not appear to work.

Same for some other medications and suggested treatments that have been proposed - and work for some people but not for other people.

Correct.

I like your focus on the immune system.

I'm not wedded to HCQ or Ivermectin - I just find it odd that "medical professionals" are pretending that a WHO essential medicine like Ivermectin, which is given away to illiterate African villagers, is somehow dangerous to First World denizens if it's used for "the wrong purpose".

Interestingly, it's been put forward that a potential nursing home disaster in Spain early in the covid crisis of 2020 was averted with the antihistamines Zyrtec and Claritin.

And now the name "Benadryl" is coming up.  

[kiryandil]

I wrote: "Maybe you haven't been here long enough to recognize The Usual Suspects, and their Commie Fascist stench..."

Fascist stench, not Fauci stench.

Little Lord Fauchleroy is a perfumed Prince of the Elite, though he reeks under his outward masks.

Keyword is honestly. All this nonsense about tiny razor blades, squiggly parasites, magnetism, AIDs, etc — and, yes, the idiot* claims about pilots relying on deaths of long-retired elderly pilots, and dubious* claims about athlete deaths — are counterproductive and harm our side.

Quit trying to attach your boogeymen to me.

Are you so upset that you need to do that in order to avert your eyes and ears from the slamming exit doors?

As for "harming our side" - the Brandon Media gonna Brandon. Note every article on the open and notorious vote fraud of 2020 is filled with the words "baseless", "unproven", "dubious", "nonsense" - and the Brandon Media is using the same words on these vaxx controversies.

They're not going to change a winning formula for the likes of you and I.

[absalom01]

This all reminds me of the “immigration wars” on FR back in the early 2000’s. There was a relatively small group of very vocal, and very dedicated accounts that were obsessed with conflating opposition to illegal immigration with racist bad-think.

The thing of it was that the debate at FR exactly mirrored what I was seeing as a general gadfly at various real-life Republican and conservative venues. The vast majority of people I met in real life conservative circles were thoughtfully opposed to continued illegal immigration, and quietly voiced those concerns when they had the ear of an elected official or anyone with a perceived ability to influence policy. The chamber of commerce types could always be counted on to rudely shout people down, call them racists, throwbacks, you name it. And the same occurred on FR.

The loudest voices on the forum were spouting the chamber of commerce line, and were not above baiting people into crossing the line and getting banned/suspended for a time. A lot of FReepers that actually showed up to protests, and were just generally solid “movement conservatives” got caught up in some of those traps.

Same is happening with these threads. There’s no point trying to convince anyone on either side, minds are made up. But it is useful to see where some people are going to be politically for the next few months. The populist movement against lockdowns, election-stealing legal maneuvers, vaccine mandates, and covid “passports” is getting bogged down in an internal fight, and this is going to be an issue in the midterms and in 2024.

It’s going to be an issue that will have to be understood politically, and reading the theories on this board is one way to get insight. At this point the most extreme vax conspiracies are a very small, fringe group, but that could change quickly.

[bagster]

You have done a great job and as usual, getting attacked for no good reason. Let’s see how long it is before a certain someone decides that he should weigh in on conversation not directed at him.

If you want private conversations, Doctor Butthurt, Jim Robinson has provided you with a private email system. Look real hard, you'll find the button.

In the meantime, back in reality, there are no private conversations on this public forum. All comments are subject to scrutiny and comment.

Most people that are criticized for their comments cease making stupid comments. You may want to investigate that option.

p.s. Your acknowedgement of me as 'The Great One' is a step in the right direction.

signed,

The Conga Line

[fireman15]

more than 100 airlines pilots have died from the covid vaxx: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4021294/posts. I was able debunk this with a few minutes of internet research

Congratulations on being able to debunk this dangerous misinformation with just a “few minutes of internet research”. I hate to tell you but it takes most people about 10 seconds to find a “fact check” site that debunks any known injuries or deaths caused by the vaccines. Your Googling skills are way behind the curve. Of course, we learned recently from Facebook testimony that fact check sites are dominated by opinion and political considerations and not “facts”.

My little brother has been an airline captain for decades. After getting the Pfizer he was grounded at his FAA physical a few weeks later. He had a swollen and inflamed heart; he was told he had permanent damage and that his risk of dying from heart failure had been greatly increased and also that he would never fly again.

The airline that he works for has had a huge number of pilots on leave after getting vaccinated. A few weeks ago, he was called and told to go to an FAA approved medical examiner in another state that had been helping pilots from the airline with the same heart condition that my brother was diagnosed with get back into the air. So agree with whether this is a good idea or not... he is flying again.

I have no idea how many pilots have died after getting jabbed... neither do you. But I do know that there is huge shortage of airline pilots right now and that nearly 100% have been vaccinated and that many are failing their FAA flight physicals shortly afterwards. Debunk that.

[bagster]

But it cannot be discussed reasonably here because the Q-inspired conspiracy nuts mob every thread.

That should tell you something. Too many people understand the truth now, as its so blatantly obvious. The news black-out is failing and you can't stop it just by whining about it.

You vaxxers are the fringe now. You are the ones bought into the biggest conspiracy truth of all time. You are now Alex Jones.

I could go on for pages, but there is no reasoning with the ideologically possessed.

More projection. So much evidence of the covid/vax hoax, biological warfare attack, and the fake poison vax has been laid upon you peoples' table, yet you remain beholden to the masters' 'agenda'. You support and push it and attack those of us who stand against the rape of humanity by those who would control it.

See: Q nuts who still won’t admit they were had.

Cute, but fail. You and others attempt to tie 'anti-covid vaxxers' to the Q movement just like you tie 'anti-covid vaxxers' to the prior to covid 'anti-vax' movement. You believe that by doing so, you can relegate both items into the deplorable bag of kookery.

But here's the thing, rabbit. The Q movement was intended to open people's eyes and help them understand the VAST corruption and evil that has been running the world for lo these many hundreds of years. And of what they are capable of.

It was a great success, and now those principles are being put into affect with this latest Derp State covid/vax mess. And no, its not just 'Q nuts' who now understand the level of evil that has been conspired and enacted against us. ThankQ, Q.

The world is waking up, and you don't seem to like it much. Probably because you're 'reasonable'. Which is another word for 'asleep'.

#TheGreatAwakening

[CatHerd]

Grow up

[bagster]

Look at this thread, and consider how many people have demonstrated a lack of discernment. They care very little about the story and dismiss it because Reuters, The Guardian, etc have posted the news story.

Is that kinda like how the indoctrinated here (that includes you) do Gateway Pundit, The Expose, and Alex Jones?

Like that?

Furry, you're not as wise as you think you are, just so you know.

[bagster]

It's not a matter of bravery. The threats and virtual mobbing take place from behind the keyboard. People should not be intimidated by that.

You continue to sound like a little girl that got her lunch money took. The shtick is getting old, Furry.

[fireman15]

Oh, and by the way I have been a proponent of life saving vaccines for my entire adult life. I even spent years driving senior citizens to get their shots. I am horrified that these awful “vaccines” with far more death and injury associated than all other vaccines in the last 30 years combined are being forced on people. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE IN THE FUTURE FROM FULLY PREVENTABLE DISEASES IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THIS DEBACLE IS GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING VACCINATED! That is a fact that cannot be debunked.

[oldvirginian]

👍

[bagster]

It does become tiresome to constantly feel one is swimming against the tide here....

Then stop being a gullible fringe extremist and derp state lite. Let the truth flow through you. You will like the results. Its liberating.

#ThrowOffTheShacklesOfTheMind

[CatHerd]

Thank you for contributing your wisdom here. Well said.

Back in the early 2000s I mainly bung out on the foreign policy threads and missed some of that.

You are quite correct that the most extreme anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists are a miniscule minority among the general populace, including among the general population of those of us who decidedly lean conservative. They very much “punch above their weight” here on FR, sadly.

I do hope they remain a small, fringe group, as they discredit those of us standing against mandates, lockdowns and all the rest on legitimate grounds.

Good for you that you wisely recognize these traps. I so hope most of us are as wise.

[CatHerd]

Go back to your Q thread where you belong.