My brother heard similar remarks from the other guys.
They are on fire when they talk to you about the Apollo mission. People who "faked it" wouldn't feel that way.
There were real Apollo missions—the astronauts were truly extraordinary men, and they did amazing things given the technology of the day.
However....
The Apollo 11 post mission press conference shows a different perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI
It is a long video, but the body language of the astronauts speaks for itself....if you put in on mute you can get the best “feel” for it.
The “debunkers” say that the poor astronauts were tired and that was the reason for their lack of enthusiasm.