Posted on 12/08/2021 6:57:48 AM PST by freddy005
...3.2.1...Dems on illegal immigration...IT MUST BE STOPPED!!! They vote republican.
My corporate report is in Mexico, his father was a Federal police before retiring recently. He told me the reason that the Central American gangs charged $9,000 to $13,000 per family smuggled is because that was the average value of their home in the three main sources of border jumpers (GHELS). While there is plenty of work available in Mexico, most of them can live better in the USA by collecting what welfare will pay and working for cash under the table.
I’m betting it’s more of a male/female split. Hispanic and black males are voting more conservative; Hispanic and black women are remaining more leftist.
And we can credit Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney for the shift in Hispanic vote!!!! Not!
My perspective on this is that such a shift was inevitable.
My wife is Hispanic (though a rare bird within that group - Jewish by birth, like me). Because of her, I have met a LOT of Hispanics (many not Jewish, of course) - and more through my work. Hispanics, in my experience, tend to have quite traditional values - mainly because of their Catholic background; this applies even if they are not religious, as the values pass down the generations even if people aren’t regular attendees at a house of worship. Those who are citizens tend to be very patriotic - because loyalty to one’s community is most definitely a Hispanic value, and the nation is (for everyone) part of their wider community.
OTOH, the Dems (who are, as anyone with eyes, ears and a functioning brain knows, becoming increasingly Leftist over time) are against traditional values, and becoming more so over time. Abortion is one of those value issues, but there are others - with crime and immigration being the top 2 of that list. On these issues the Dems are lined up against the values of most Hispanics, and while most Hispanics are either new immigrants or descended from recent immigrants (within the last 50 years) who would because of that naturally tend toward the politics of the Democrats, these are some very in-your-face issues. My wife, who went through the immigration process quite legally - and we paid a LOT of money to an attorney and in fees to dot every “i” and cross every “t” - is LIVID over the very idea of amnesty and, especially, open borders. Her first reaction after hearing what the Dems wanted to do was to tell me to “get our money back from the government.” Yeah, that’s never going to happen - and that made her even more angry.
This is natural, and if the Stupid Party can be just a little less stupid than usual and avoid snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, then maybe we can have the same kind of political split in the Hispanic community as is seen in most other ethnic groups (though, tragically, not in the Jewish community - that one really ticks me off for a wide variety of reasons). That will doom the Dems’ chances for utter domination, and might even get them to start acting somewhat sensibly regarding immigration policy (yeah, well, I can dream, can’t I?).
Anyhow, this is a natural thing, and it should be encouraged and nourished by the Republican Party. The Dems and especially the Left (and it is increasingly difficult to separate the 2 of them) do nothing but destroy whatever they touch - and Hispanics are beginning to realize this. They are too hard-working to tolerate this, and are generally too traditional to allow for the destruction of their symbols, their values and the reasonable possibility of their kids and grandkids having a better life than themselves to allow it - just like anyone else. Celebrate and encourage this with everyone you know who is Hispanic - it will help to save this country.
“Are liberals so myopic, having long lost the Southern white vote and more recently the Northern white blue collar vote, that they will soon lose the Hispanic vote?”
2. You’re correct, they (the Leftists) are quite myopic. Their focus on the blacks is natural, given their focus on attaining total control over this country, because to gain such control they have to tear down our institutions and values, and there are more than enough blacks who are prone to being very vocal and even violent are very angry with how they view how this society has treated their people (and, in many cases, they have every right to be) to be quite useful to the Leftists...so they pander to them. Of course, at the end of the day, if the Left ever does gain total control, the great mass of blacks will be just as badly off as anyone else - Leftist really don’t care about race or religion or anything else, they just want power over others (i.e. they want to effectively enslave everyone, and those whom they can’t, they’ll imprison or murder).
So, the Republicans had better stop being the Stupid Party and get busy growing and cementing Hispanic loyalty to the ideals of the Republican Party...and follow up by (non-stupidly) actually enacting policies reflective of those values and fighting the adoption of policies opposed to those values. IOW, no more RINO control over the Party, as exemplified by McConnell, who never met a principle that he wouldn’t betray for a narrow and temporary favor.
“I’m betting it’s more of a male/female split. Hispanic and black males are voting more conservative; Hispanic and black women are remaining more leftist.”
Evidence of this is very apparent - look at the direction of policy in every single Western country since the early 20th Century, which is the point in time at which women got the vote. That coincides with the beginning of large-scale social programs and the growth of government in general. As an example, US government spending as a percentage of GDP was at roughly 3% per year, except during wartime, until the 1950s. Now it is well over 30% (and tax revenue in the mid-20s, hence our large deficits), though much higher since the Covid nonsense started. My position is that if women did not have the vote, this would not have occurred - but make no mistake, I do **NOT** advocate for removing the vote from women...and that is never going to happen anyway. But facts are facts - women are more liberal, and FAR more tolerant of big, intrusive, government than men are.
Agreed, and I recently read that only 18% of households in the United States are nuclear families: two married people and children under 18.
Married women tend to be more conservative.
What’s happening is simple. More “Hispanic” voters are settled Americans of second, third, fourth and fifth generation types, with many of the same interests as average settled Americans. The “Hispanic” voter divide is likely related to how long the “Hispanic” person and their family members have been settled in the U.S. In spite of illegal immigration numbers, more and more “Hispanics” are native born and more of them have parents who were native born. In time their interests become more like their “non-Hispanic” peers, as their main interests become more shared with them than split from them.
I put “Hispanic” in quotes because I know enough folks from all across “Latin America” to know there are many differences between them, as much or more than what they share merely by language, “Latin American” culture and religion.
The Pearl Clutchers must be hyperventilating because this article will “jinx” the Republicans.
This election will be called by One America News Network about 6 minutes after 9PM EST.
If that becomes more evident the Left will be pouring money into completing Trump’s wall.
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LLOOLL!!! Yes, the irony of that....
You ask are liberals that myopic. Well, let’s look at history. The Democrat party completely owned the South after Republicans screwed up royally by disenfranchising most voters in the South after the war, and running massively corrupt military occupation governments that stole everything that wasn’t nailed down. You couldn’t get a Republican elected so much as country dog catcher in the South for 100 years.
Southerners were Democrats....but they were not liberals. They’ve always been patriotic, they’ve always loved the military, they’ve always believed in gun rights and the family and they have always ALWAYS hated communists. They fought a long rearguard action to try to drag the Democrat party back to the center as it started its leftward drift. Finally they had had enough and voted for Nixon in the late 60s. Did the Democrats take notice of this and tack back to the center? Did they heed the warning and realize they needed to give their constituents what they wanted?
Of course not! Instead they immediately started hurling non stop insults at White Southerners accusing them of every vile thing under the sun for DARING to ever vote against the party. Thus they lost them forever.....formerly their most ardent supporters. The way the Democrats acted toward White Southerners starting in the 60s exactly parallels how they have now started acting toward the White working class in the Midwest....again often union members and formerly some of their most ardent supporters. They spare no opportunity to tell them how much they really hate them. I suspect those voters are like White Southerners, lost to the Democrats forever now.
Having seen these examples, how do you think the Democrats will react now that Hispanics are starting to turn against them?
This is natural, and if the Stupid Party can be just a little less stupid than usual and avoid snatching defeat from the jaws of victory,...
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I nearly fell off my seat laughing when I read that part! You’re so right about the “Stupid” Party....that’s why I left it last year after being a registered R since 1988! I’m with you though on your assessment of the situation.
There are some GREAT posts on this thread. Yours are among the best.
after the big war, the restored constitution will have a more clearly worded 2nd amendment and the 17th and 19th amendments, and maybe a few others, will be removed ...
Yep. It's quite simple. There are grammatical rules of agreement in Spanish. Masculine and feminine words exist in Spanish and it's an insult to them that we are trying to change that. It makes us arrogant and Democrats do not realize that they are putting them off.
True - and the same for many Asians and even blacks. But there is the GOP stereotype that it is a "white guys only" party. Change that narrative and the Democrats lose
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