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The PCR Tests and the Rise of Disease Panic: Could the PCR Test Be Making a Mountain Out of a Molehill and Blowing the Covid Outbreak Out of Proportion?
Brownstone Institute ^ | 12/06/2021 | IAN MCNULTY

Posted on 12/06/2021 9:54:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 12/06/2021 9:54:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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11. PCR tests were not designed to diagnose illness. The Reverse-Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) test is described in the media as the “gold standard” for Covid diagnosis. But the Nobel Prize-winning inventor of the process never intended it to be used as a diagnostic tool, and said so publicly:

“PCR is just a process that allows you to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick, or that the thing that you ended up with was going to hurt you or anything like that.”

https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/


2 posted on 12/06/2021 10:03:31 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes.

Next issue.


3 posted on 12/06/2021 10:08:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BenLurkin

What happened to the common cold and flu?


4 posted on 12/06/2021 10:09:42 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I'm in the control group. I identify as "vaccinated".🤡)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
What happened to the common cold and flu?

I hope they got exhausted from busting my ass for 70 years and took a vacation.

5 posted on 12/06/2021 10:13:02 PM PST by Stentor ( )
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To: Stentor
What happened to the common cold and flu?

I suspect in the USA, they all got classified as Covid. Add a big financial incentive to find covid, add a big political incentive to find covid, and add a PRC test that with enough cycles will find covid, and suddenly - everything becomes covid.

6 posted on 12/06/2021 10:27:08 PM PST by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind
From the article:

The case fatality rate is around 20%, making it ten times more deadly than Covid-19.

The case fatality rate of Covid-19 is a whopping 2%?!

I had no idea!

Regards,

7 posted on 12/06/2021 11:22:32 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Not quite sure what’s being said as regards testing, but I am highly confident that I understood that dead people are dead and that last year 25% more people over the age of 65 died than died in a typical year pre covid. That happened no matter what PCR tests said.

I have noticed stories like this somehow get grabbed and used to justify a bizarre opinion that there is no virus and that it’s all a conspiracy to get vote by mail. There’s never really an explanation of how killing off elderly in the UK and Russia and Italy and all sorts of other places was done to ensure that the US election would be vote by mail.

No make no mistake here. President Trump won that election and the only reason the numbers did not bear that out is vote-by-mail permitted counterfeit ballots getting into the counting batch. Tens of thousands of ballots were mailed from addresses that were never verified. It had nothing to do with Dominion this or that. It was strictly left-wing zealots in critical locales who created ballots with nothing marked on them but Biden and they got counted. The virus enabled this to happen. It was monumental bad luck for President Trump that the virus arrived when it did.

Not the first time a disease dictated history.


8 posted on 12/07/2021 12:06:05 AM PST by Owen
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The USA Covid Case Fatality Rate for CONFIRMED infections is:

790,000 (deaths) divided by 49.3 million (infections) = 1.6%

The USA Covid Case Fatality Rate for ESTIMATED infections is:

790,000 (deaths) divided by 140 million (infections) = 0.56%

The three most current USA TOTAL case estimates are 140 million. Those estimates come from the CDC, the Cleveland Clinic, and a medical lab in Boston I was not familiar with.

One note - in the USA, the influenza case fatality rate is calculated for SYMPTOMATIC cases only.

A severe flu season has a CFA around 0.2%.

The Covid case totals never explain if they include ALL positive cases, or just symptomatic cases.

Thus, comparing Covid CFAs to influenza CFAs may not be meaningful.

9 posted on 12/07/2021 12:18:13 AM PST by zeestephen
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BKMK


10 posted on 12/07/2021 1:30:50 AM PST by lizma2
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To: zeestephen
Thus, comparing Covid CFAs to influenza CFAs may not be meaningful.

NOT because Covid is so really different from influenza, but rather because the DEFINITIONS used are (unnecessarily) different.

Thanks!

Regards,

11 posted on 12/07/2021 1:53:33 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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I’m quite certain that the CoVid numbers are counting positive cases and not only symptomatic ones, unlike the flu.

With CoVid, lots of people were required to be tested once there was a positive symptomatic person in their sphere. As an example, if a restaurant had one case, all the other employees were given tests too, so even asymptomatic people who were positive were found and were quarantined for 2 weeks. This happened to someone I know, and he was never sick with anything, nor did anyone in his close circle get sick from him.

With CoVid, we suddenly started testing in a new way. There can’t be any apples to apples comparisons, only apples to oranges.


12 posted on 12/07/2021 1:58:28 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: SeekAndFind

Deserves a careful read:

https://brownstone.org/about/


13 posted on 12/07/2021 2:12:36 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (This will be a hot extract.)
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These death numbers are pretty worthless as many of these deaths are not from covid..accidents, gun shots, old age, etc. Actual Covid only deaths in US number under 7,000. Italy reassessed their death toll from 130k to 3k I believe. We can’t believe anything.


14 posted on 12/07/2021 2:22:14 AM PST by DHerion
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With CoVid, lots of people were required to be tested once there was a positive symptomatic person in their sphere. As an example, if a restaurant had one case, all the other employees were given tests too, so even asymptomatic people who were positive were found and were quarantined for 2 weeks. This happened to someone I know, and he was never sick with anything, nor did anyone in his close circle get sick from him.

But wouldn't that actually LOWER the fatality rate?

By practicing "indiscriminate" testing, and counting even asymptomatic cases, you are boosting the denominator of the fraction. The number who die (the numerator) remains the same. So the overall percentage would, perforce, DROP.

Regards,

15 posted on 12/07/2021 2:43:50 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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It allows you to take a very miniscule amount of anything and make it measurable and then talk about it like it’s important.“

PCR - Political Conversation Response?

16 posted on 12/07/2021 3:20:01 AM PST by Pollard (PureBlood -- youtube.com/watch?v=VXm0fkDituE)
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To: Owen
Global Deaths through 23 months — ( 5,105,270 / 7,906,949,863 ) x 100 = 0.0645 %

Source: Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

As you are “highly confident” that you “understood,” please explain the non-pandemic worldwide tally of deaths across almost two years. *It would be nice to cite your sources.)

And please explain why the Fauci-led US response, as among the deadliest pandemic responses of all the nations, should not be condemned as inexpert at the minimum and perhaps criminal at a maximum.

While we're at it, how about the Communist Chinese?

China through 23 months — ( 4,849 deaths since beginning of pandemic / 1,439,323,776 Chinese citizens ) x 100 = 0.0033 %

17 posted on 12/07/2021 4:02:10 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Basic math is simple. Real science open to proof and validation. Fear porn theater is a fine phrase/)
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With cases “calculated” as well as “assumed,” as well as “estimated,” as you cite the prose, how is this rigorous in any scientific way?

Date collection alone is not done via guesswork, or is it?


18 posted on 12/07/2021 4:06:00 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Basic math is simple. Real science open to proof and validation. Fear porn theater is a fine phrase/)
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Not just the USA. Check out how the UK counts CoupFlu deaths...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/16904751/omicron-variant-symptoms-covid-tottenham-hotspur-europa-league-rennes/#liveblog-entry-16963855

Scroll down for info in the death toll.

The UK counts anyone who croak within 28 days of a positive death as croaking from the coof.

Any death where CoupFlu was mentioned anywhere on a death certificate as a CoupFlu death.

And any excess death, deaths over the expected, as a CoupFlu death.

The stats are crap. And not just ours.

But then CoupFlu has NEVER been about public health anywhere on the bloody planet.


19 posted on 12/07/2021 4:06:49 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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It is interesting that so many “cases” — as you cite — involved silly stories of gunshots and traffic accidents, such that one thing becomes certain,

The enthusiasm to code deaths as COVID-19 was far and away a tell about how this data collection went on. Assumptions, guesswork and outright lies were tallied. Even the media-famous George Floyd has COVID, from accounts read.

One may read the April 16, 2020, WHO directions for how to “code” deaths, moving a possible “one of many” causes into first place. I chuckle to this day about their prose: “The primary goal is to identify all deaths due to COVID-19.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

20 posted on 12/07/2021 4:13:39 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Basic math is simple. Real science open to proof and validation. Fear porn theater is a fine phrase/)
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