Posted on 11/20/2021 8:32:52 AM PST by ransomnote
[H/T tatown]
The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland t.me/Alex_Berenson/613
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My position is that the shots;
Feature the toxic spike protein.
Wear off after several months.
Do not protect from infection, hospitalization, or death despite being promulgated as “95% effective.”
And have killed and injured thousands. (the Sen. Johnson video, as well as countless others is informative).
If you think that position is “weak” then you are just another vax troll and I don’t care what you “suggest.”
Whatever. Good luck!
In other words, some FReepers are spinning tall tales.
Not surprising!
“The data says vaccinated people are way less likely to die from Covid than non vaccinated people.”
Apples and oranges, son. Deaths from ALL causes, not covid. Yes, fewer covid deaths in vaccinated. Great. Good for them. But if it means deaths from everything else goes up, as in, “All Causes,” pay attention.
And if it shows that the vaxed are dying from all causes at twice the rate as the non-vaxed, that’s a big red flag. How could that be?
ADE. Look it up. The vax may protect against covid, but it wrecks your immune system, which then can’t protect against other diseases. Like cancer, CHF,...etc.
But I don’t trust at all and mama always said: “When in doubt, do without.”
If the vaxx is such a great thing, then I’d practically be begging them to take my money so I could have it, instead of them first trying to give it to me for free and now forcing me to take it or else!
Yes, okay, I did buy a Pet Rock back in the day, but I’m skipping the vaxx, thank you very much.
Hey, “Live and learn”, right? It’s true, even for the slower short bus kids like me.
“Too soon old and too late smart” is another one mama had right and, since she’s been gone, I kinda wish I woulda listened to her more often than I shoulda coulda did.
But I’d like to get a lot smarter first, you know what I mean, before I actually tell her that face to face, lol … at least not any sooner than I might need to.
So, there’s no more “hold muh beer and watch this …” for me these days and no vaxx for me, either.
But seriously, why vaxx for you? Do you really trust these people?
Read the data again:
“The ASMRs for total deaths and deaths involving COVID-19 are significantly higher among people who are unvaccinated than people who had received either one or two doses. “
It says TOTAL DEATHS “ and” “deaths involving COVID 19”.
The unknown website guy had his mind up ahead of time that he would show vaccinated people are dying at higher rates .
He just had decide how to selectively slice the data to show what he wanted to show.
This is the same tactic the global warming scaremongers use to show the “planet has a fever”.
The selectively pick data points to show temperatures they want.
Come on Basket, don’t fall for a anti-vaxer version of Greta Thunberg.
| Age | unvaccinated | fully vaccinated |
|---|---|---|
| 10-59 | 0.9 | 2.2 |
| 60-69 | 24.0 | 12.8 |
| 70-79 | 59.6 | 37.2 |
| 80 + | 214.4 | 157.4 |
If you average for all the weeks covered in the spreadsheet:
| Age | unvaccinated | fully vaccinated |
|---|---|---|
| 10-59 | 1.8 | 1.8 |
| 60-69 | 35.5 | 8.3 |
| 70-79 | 106.7 | 26.2 |
| 80 + | 480.8 | 115.9 |
My conclusions: It was a good idea to get vaccinated if you were over 60 wanted to avoid dying for the period covered. (2021 thru Sept. 24).
If you were under 60 there was no real benefit from getting vaccinated.
The benefit of being vaccinated looks like it's declining. (Current values less than average values), which can probably be most simply described as the vaccines being less effective over time.
I got my data from "Chart 4" of the spreadsheet linked above.
You can't conclude that from this data.
As the researchers pointed out in their footnote, since many younger people weren't eligible for the vaccine during the data collection period the 10-59 vaccinated population is on average older than the unvaccinated, so you would expect their all cause mortality rate to be higher.
It isn't an apples-to-apples comparison.
It would be nice if they broke down the data a bit more 10-19, 20-29, 29-49 or something.
Because the vaxxed do not contribute to herd immunity and they might not ever do so.
Government needs to eliminate the unvaccinated control group by pushing the vaccines despite the failure. That way no comparisons will be possible.
Did that sound like a categorical denial to you?
Whatever.
Good day!
Still, correlation is not causation, but...
Article says vaccinated twice as likely to die. You say vaccinated are older group.
2021 applicable mortality table (used for pensions) has 20 year old males dying with probability .000256. To double that, a male has to be age 35 for .000515.
For a 30 year old, the q is .000397. Double that is age 44 at .000768.
For a 40 year old, the double q is at age 49.
For a 50 year old, the double q is at 57.
For females
20/32
30/40
40/49
50/56
Are you suggesting the vaccinated cohort is between 6 and 15 years older than the unvaccinated?
Alternatively, consider a week where the rates are relatively close in June. The rates are 2.92 and 1.60, a relative rate of 1.825.
2.92 deaths out of 100,000 for a week is an annual rate of .00152. This is about the rate of a female aged 56. 1.60 x 52 = .00832, which is close to a female aged 51. An age difference of 5.
I would not put it past some of the people planning our Utopia.
I don't know, and Berenson, who's lying about this, damn sure doesn't know, but considering that the vaccines haven't been approved for young people until lately those numbers seem reasonable.
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