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5G and the Altimeter
AVWEB ^ | 10-31-21 | Russ Niles

Posted on 11/01/2021 11:24:53 AM PDT by Paul46360

The FAA plans to issue a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin and an Airworthiness Directive in coming days concerning the rollout of 5G cellular phone service in 46 major metropolitan areas of the U.S. on Dec. 5, according to Reuters. The actions are expected to limit the use of automated systems on aircraft that rely on radar altimeters (also called radio altimeters) and it’s possible that flight delays and cancellations will result. Reuters also quoted a letter from FAA Deputy Administrator Bradley Mims that says the agency shares “the deep concern about the potential impact to aviation safety resulting from interference to radar altimeter performance from 5G network operations in the C band.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Education; Travel
KEYWORDS: 5g; altimeter; flying; interference
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1 posted on 11/01/2021 11:24:53 AM PDT by Paul46360
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So what if a few aircraft crash, it’s more important for Google to propagandize your kids?


2 posted on 11/01/2021 11:28:38 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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Yeah, who needs Ground Proximity Warning Systems on aircraft? It’s far more important that the self-absorbed can post their selfies to the internet a millisecond faster.

“Terrain!”…”Whoop! Whoop!”…”Pull up!”

3 posted on 11/01/2021 11:30:12 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Paul46360

Given the fools that infest the federal agencies, was this an unintended side-effect, unexpected, or deliberate?


4 posted on 11/01/2021 11:30:33 AM PDT by curious7
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To: Paul46360

Does this mean pilots may actually have to look out the window and fly their aircraft instead of being glorified passengers along for the ride? And the cancellations are due to many not being up to that task?


5 posted on 11/01/2021 11:37:05 AM PDT by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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To: Navy Patriot
#2: "So what if a few aircraft crash, it's more important for Google to propagandize your kids?

5G isn't really about 2-way communications at all. It's so the Deep State can connect an UHD 4K sewer pipe to your kids' phones and enable them to watch TikTok, Facebook, and rappers 24/7.

The current 4G is more than adequate for communication purposes, yes and by golly you can even watch videos on 4G too.

6 posted on 11/01/2021 11:42:00 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Paul46360

I’ve said it before. 5G is for big brother, not you. What can’t you as an individual do with the current system?


7 posted on 11/01/2021 11:45:20 AM PDT by cymbeline
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I’ve been getting AT&T 5G service when close to down town Fort Worth for awhile now. Could this be what is to blame for all the American Airlines flight cancellations at DFW? Hmmm...


8 posted on 11/01/2021 11:56:29 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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This is a lighten up Francis moment. C band for 5G is nothing more than RF in 3.7- 4.2 GHz. Been used for years, but recently been made available by auction to the carriers.

All RF sharing a frequency band has the potential to mutually interfere with others RF in the same band. It’s just physics.


9 posted on 11/01/2021 11:59:16 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Menehune56

No. Absolutely not. The 5G towers for all the carriers in Dallas-FW don’t use C band.


10 posted on 11/01/2021 12:00:34 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Paul46360

Does this mean American Airlines doesn’t have to blame “it” on the weather any longer & will change their narrative to, “it’s all 5G’s fault, oh and we have a small labor shortage too”


11 posted on 11/01/2021 12:13:49 PM PDT by orlop9
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To: Reno89519

Hate pilots much?


12 posted on 11/01/2021 1:45:43 PM PDT by Orbiter
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To: Paul46360

Why use a ground proximity alert when you’ll find out you’re too low only a few seconds later? Dang lazy pilots.


13 posted on 11/01/2021 1:48:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: cymbeline
I’ve said it before. 5G is for big brother, not you. What can’t you as an individual do with the current system?

What can't you, the individual, do with the Model T? Why do you need this newfangled 'Mustang' car? Sure, it may be faster and more fuel-efficient, but do you really need to go more than 20mph?
14 posted on 11/01/2021 3:59:26 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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“What can’t you, the individual, do with the Model T?”

You didn’t answer my question. Here it is again:

“What can’t you as an individual do with the current system?”

Surf the net, watch 4k movies, ...

What do you want to do that you can’t do now? I’d honestly like someone to tell me what they’ll gain as an individual with 5G.


15 posted on 11/01/2021 4:57:56 PM PDT by cymbeline
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The problem they are trying to solve is the increased number of cell system users. The current bands do not have sufficient bandwidth.


16 posted on 11/01/2021 5:02:55 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: cymbeline

You are correct. 5G is to support domestic surveillance tech deployment, which is far more extensive than anyone could imagine, and about to get much, much more extensive.

You will get more pushback as time goes on, because you are touching on a forbidden topic, albeit one which may be the most important this country will ever see, given what it appears is coming in the very near future.


17 posted on 11/01/2021 8:01:27 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive information, I am under domestic surv coverage, and they will see it too.)
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To: GingisK

“The problem they are trying to solve is the increased number of cell system users”

That is true but practically all individuals now have cell phones and I never see complaints of network overload.

The “increased number of users” will be things, not people, like vehicles, which will then be able to be tracked with great precision since they’ll be closer to the densely deployed towers. Personal phones will be able to be tracked more closely as well.


18 posted on 11/02/2021 4:36:45 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline

I live in Atlanta. Dropped calls occur quite a lot, as do call fade-outs and choppy sounds. The population is going to keep rising, demand will increase. Instrumentation use of the cellular network is expanding. Even if you personally don’t think so, networks capacity is frayed.


19 posted on 11/02/2021 8:09:11 AM PDT by GingisK
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“Even if you personally don’t think so, networks capacity is frayed.”

I’m not an expert. I’ll believe you on that.

The cellular people run the numbers. They’ve decided on the smaller cell size. I don’t question the technical or financial side of it.

As an aside, your problem in Atlanta might just mean they don’t have enough old-timey towers.

Isn’t one reason they’re going to the small cells size is that they want to use frequencies don’t propagate well over longer distances?


20 posted on 11/02/2021 8:26:03 AM PDT by cymbeline
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