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Discussion here:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6244-safire-eyes-commercialization-within-5-years-with-launch-of-new-company-aureon-e/?postID=166577&highlight=aureon#post166577

Their latest patent indicates that they focus on heat generation for a boiler application.

They have also reported they emphasized on transmuted elements, probably from the metals of which the electrodes are made from.

The central question is what nuclear process occurs in this reactor setup?

One suggestion would be that hydrogen Rydberg matter is formed at the electrodes which condenses to ultra dense hydrogen that in turn is triggered by heavy ions in the plasma causing high energy sub particles that allow for the observed transmutations. This would mean two causes of heat: condensation and transmutation.

The rather unknown factor is that Aureon focusses on double layer plasma (or even multilayer).

It's difficult to understand why specifically double (or multilayer) plasmas would be required.

The only reason I see right now is that they prefer current-free double layers to avoid electrodes to wear.

Interestingly a very thin layer between the two layers in a double layer plasma has a very high electrical field.

Similar to what I pointed out what is present in between 2 layers of metal consisting of metals with each a different Galvani potential.

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What are some of the benefits of a setup utilizing the configuration of the SAFIRE reactor?

1) The design scales in size up and down from a table top device to as large as you want to go. In smaller setups with smaller diameter anodes, the current required would be less.

2) No extremely high currents or voltages required. Generally speaking, even SAFIRE's large reactor the size of a small car at maximum utilizes 30-50 amps but they don't need to use this many amps to produce their effects. In many tests they may have used 10-20 amps. Their bell jar system used only a few amps. A smaller system built by a university in a test tube might use a couple amps or less. Likewise, at most, they use a couple thousand volts. They often only use 600 volts or so. What they do is use constant voltage and de-restrict the DC current. Crazy power inputs are not required!

3) No exotic, rare, or expensive gases are required. Nitrogen or argon with ordinary light hydrogen works well.

4) No rare or super expensive anode materials are required. Many different iron nickel alloys work and they seem to frequently use common Tungsten, Nickel, Iron alloys. Monty states that many different materials work. No platinum, palladium, or special isotopes are required.

5) The input doesn't require fancy waveforms or specific frequencies. Ordinary current restricted DC works fine. However, the power supplies need to be protected from back surges.

6) You can monitor the progression of the self organized plasma not only with a camera but on your oscilloscope because the ion acoustic waves are the signature of self organization. So if a university team doesn't have a huge reactor with multiple ports for cameras and spectrometers, they can still detect what's happening inside.

7) Copper can be used as a cathode material, but there is vast room for improvement.

8) A little remaining water in the reactor chamber after degassing won't prevent the self organized plasma from forming. You don't need ultra expensive equipment to remove every water molecule. Ball lightning forms in the atmosphere where plenty of water vapor is around.

9) There are many forms of energy output to measure including light ranging from IR to extreme ultraviolet. Radio-frequency emissions will also be produced. Since EVOs are ideal longitudinal wave generators, these could also be monitored. Direct electrical extraction could also be done via a number of methods.

10) The highest temperatures will be confined to the region of the self organized plasma and the anode. This means that depending on the reactor volume the heat produced can be removed by active cooling to prevent ports and seals from being damaged. Of course if you push the system hard, the excess energy could increase rapidly to the point of inducing damage if the reactor and coolant system are not carefully designed.

11) Unlike hot fusion systems, there is no need for external magnetic fields to contain the plasma. The double layers act as containment fields. Basically, the self organized plasma contains itself. Like Monty Childs says, if you give the plasma what it wants it does the work for you. This is a huge win in terms of design and cost.

12) There is no absolute requirement to continually pump hydrogen into the system. A hollow anode filled with hydrogen that migrates to the surface is not required. Monty has stated that solid anodes work well and the transmutation products are found all the way to the center. This is another win in terms of design and cost. Instead of needing a custom anode there will be commercial off the shelf spheres that will be just fine.

The reality is that this technology is simple, powerful, and forgiving. Obviously, any university or other organization attempting to replicate would need competent engineers but a million dollar budget and dozens of workers would not be required for a small setup. The world needs this technology immediately. This is not only because it allows for unlimited clean energy, but because it will lead to much, much more.

1 posted on 10/30/2021 3:56:54 PM PDT by Kevmo
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To: Wonder Warthog

for the cold fusion ping list


2 posted on 10/30/2021 3:57:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Kevmo

Sounds like you could build a version of this in your garage if need be.


3 posted on 10/30/2021 4:07:15 PM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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To: Kevmo

What about phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range?

https://youtu.be/-B6YbMKda68

(Sorry, couldn’t resist 🤪)

Hey, just what you see, pal!


4 posted on 10/30/2021 4:07:38 PM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: Kevmo

Sounds cool anyways 👍


5 posted on 10/30/2021 4:10:17 PM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: Kevmo

“There is no absolute requirement to continually pump hydrogen into the system.”

Soooo..... this device is utilizing hydrogen from water?


6 posted on 10/30/2021 4:14:21 PM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: Kevmo
"It's difficult to understand why specifically double (or multilayer) plasmas would be required. The only reason I see right now is that they prefer current-free double layers to avoid electrodes to wear."

The formation of this kind of double layer was previously unknown to physics until the SAFIRE experiments. For whatever reason, the double layer is self-stabilizing and does not need huge external magnetic fields to provide confinement. Apparently, this stable confinement allows the reacting nuclei to be forced close enough for long enough to react instead of flying apart due to coulomb effect.

That is my understanding, at any rate...

15 posted on 10/30/2021 5:17:14 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: Kevmo

Ping for later.


17 posted on 10/30/2021 6:47:09 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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