Posted on 10/29/2021 10:15:01 AM PDT by mylife
The gun supervisor for the film "Rust," on which a crew member was killed after a gun held by actor Alec Baldwin went off during rehearsal, has no idea where the real bullet came from, she says.
Hannah Gutierrez was responding to "untruths that have been told to the media," a statement released Thursday night by her attorneys to NBC News said. Santa Fe County Sheriff says Baldwin fired suspected live round on Rust set Santa Fe County Sheriff says Baldwin fired 'suspected live round' on 'Rust' set "Safety is Hannah's number one priority on set," reads the statement from attorneys Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence. "Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from." CNN reached out to Gutierrez's attorneys and the "Rust" production office Friday morning for comment.
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Your under armed; I have at least 500 rounds of 45 Long Colt in the safe, never know when I might need to shoot a bear, or a bunch of’em.
Having practiced the old tradition of "buy it cheap stack it deep" long before ammo prices skyrocketed, I have plenty of ammo for the guns I shoot. My SAA was my great grandfather's, is well over a century old and has a lot of sentimental value. Admittedly, I don't take it out very often.
That was my first thought when I heard that the union folks had walked out earlier.
An astute person would see case rims in the recoil shield/ cylinder gap in any oblique angle. That ought to prompt a check of chamber mouths at least, again easy to do with a SA revolver. Draw the hammer to safety notch, rotate the cylinder manually and from the oblique front, avoiding the muzzle, note crimped blank mouths. A slug would be obvious.
Better yet, open the loading gate and drop rounds into your hand....a big lead slug would blatantly obvious and would stop the whole production...
Actually, acid in the oils from skin can etch prints into the brass of a cartridge case.
Heat of firing is minimal in either black or smokeless handgun rounds. Pistol cases just don’t get very hot in a revolver.
Regardless, cases handled several tines by several people would likely have numerous prints.
But forensics can shed some light, just not beyond circumstantial evidence of who was last. Probably not allowed in court other than to say XY and Z touched case 1 at some point.
45 Colt and 45Long Colt are the same.
The 45 Colt was later redesignated as “Long” after the introduction of the 45 Schofield top break revolver in the US Army. It shot a shorter 45 caliber case. The 45 SW Scofield could be used in either the 1873 Colt or the Schofield, but not the reverse. Like the 38s(short, long SW and Special in a 38 special chamber) and 357mag.
“Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from.”
Then she failed at her job. There should have been a red line around the set where no ammunition could ever cross.
Not my job is never an acceptable answer.
Any SAA can shoot standard smokeless or Black powder 45 LC loads.
SAAMI. Standards for the designation are loaded to BP max pressures. Modern revolvers like Roger etc can use higher pressure loading. But only boutique ammo makers sell it.
Anything else labelled 45 Colt or LC does not exceed 17k psi.
It was her job!
Ref. SAAMI 45 Colt/Long Colt pressure, the max is 14k CUP or approx. 15900psi.
Unless the revolver was loaded with dummy rounds. Baldwin was rehearsing quick drawing and firing directly at the camera, a scene which would quite possibly require dummy rounds. In that case, the armorer has to ensure the ammo is dummy rounds, and that can require unloading the gun and checking each round for the telltale, either a BB inside that makes the round rattle when shaken or a hole drilled in the round.
Investigators found dummy, blank and live rounds on set. Of course, I have no idea how the gun was supposed to be loaded, empty, dummies or blanks.
Dummy rounds for Hollywood not withstanding, all industry dummy rounds are either plastic with a brass primer insert, or if made from a bullet and case, no primer is present and or the case is fluted and or drilled.
Even so, a lead slug visible ought to make the operator stop, double check and confirm the type of round present.
All negligent discharges are preventable. Yet, they still occur. Most without injury, some with fatal results
Yes, I was responsible for two Ends in my 50 some year civilian and military shooting life.
Both with handguns, one a SA Ruger 22, the other a SW 4006.
I was negligent. I thought I was clear both times. Once when another handed me the 22 and I had just observed him clear it, the other when fatigued and practicing dry fire (with a mag and live ammo present, wrong on my part).
Thankfully both rounds were fired in the prescribed safe direction.
I have fired some 200k rounds in my life to date.
I was injured when a ND occurred on a military range and the bullet struck the ground next to me. Jacket from a 556 55grn bullet buried into my shin.
Hang around firearms long enough and your repertoire of strange but true enlarges.
I trained CCW students for a decade after retiring from the army. Three unloaded but loaded guns passed into my hands in a classroom. No, they didn’t get my certification nor did they get a refund. One came back and did fine. I refunded half my fees to her for being serious.
Sure, he should have checked. Even more critical, the armorer should have checked, followed by the asst director. I’m just pointing out that the presence of a lead bullet might have been exactly what he expected to see and has seen many times in a “cold” gun. According to the armorer, there should have been dummy rounds in the weapon.
>>”According to the affidavit, Gutierrez Reed — who was in charge of overseeing gun safety and usage on set — said on the day of the incident that she had ensured that the ammunition intended for production consisted of “dummies” and did not include “hot” rounds.”<<
For the actors shooting blanks from a lever gun (or any magazine fed gun), what are the odds the actors personally verify the gun is empty and then load the tube mag with blanks themselves? Probably not likely, meaning they never see any of the rounds loaded. Live rounds on a movie set are an fatal accident waiting to happen.
I haven’t had an ND, not that I haven’t been distracted, inattentive or negligent at some point. A buddy of mine had one recently when he was unloading. He saw the spare mag laying on the table and thought it was the mag he had just removed. When he ejected the chambered round, there was still a full mag inserted. He pointed the muzzle at the ground in a safe direction and pulled the trigger. No harm, but still an Oh Crap moment and a lesson learned. The problem with Hollywood is that they do point guns at people when the scene requires, breaking a cardinal safety rule. There is just no room for error, and in Baldwin’s case, there were multiple errors and outright negligence.
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