CDC Analysis: For age 18-44 yrs, once vaccinated, your all-cause mortality drops 72% and death from ALL diseases drops to ZERO, chance of dying in an accident decreases

gab.com ^ | 10/24/2021 | Steve Kirsch

[SisterK]

Amazing! Sham! Wow!
Next: Vaccine will also make you rich and good looking!

[Steve_Seattle]

"Have you seen one ad for the vaccine that lists the side effects like “normal” drug ads?"

Nor are there any of the usual caveats about certain groups of people who should avoid the vaccine, e.g., pregnant or nursing women, people with certain allergies, people with certain medical conditions, and people using certain other medications. None of that despite the unprecedented number of adverse reactions that have been reported to VAERS.

It's just a mad rush to universal vaccination, no questions asked, no exceptions allowed. And all this for a disease with about a 99% survival rate even pre-vaccine.

[Scrambler Bob]

Raging elephant - - -

Liz Cheney?

[jmacusa]

So does this mean if you’re 40 and get the jab you can fall off the roof and nothing will happen to you?

[bagster]

So like, wow! Analogies do work after all!

Bro. Are you seriously comparing a group (vaccinated) with an entire country that contains all groups?

The vaccine is the variable which effects the cohort's 'mortality rate' as compared to that same cohort without that variable.

The CDC says that the vaccine lowers the entire mortality rate by a ridiculous number. Almost as ridiculous as your 'move to Japan' analogy.

You should give them your resume. You'd fit right in. You both could sit around all day and write stupid things and post them on the internet.

#EdwinlandIsClickBait

[bagster]

I assume you are not serious about #NoReg(ulations)...

Oh? Well then, who regulates Big Pharma when the FDA is corrupt and controlled and ran by ex Pharma execs?

They seem to be regulating themselves.

[SiGeek]

Revolving doors among regulators just like DoD and SEC and prolly many other govt alphabets.

[edwinland]

The vaccine is the variable which effects the cohort's 'mortality rate' as compared to that same cohort without that variable. The CDC says that the vaccine lowers the entire mortality rate by a ridiculous number

I admire your persistence. If you could match it with just a wee little bit of reading comprehension, you could be a good advocate for conservative causes.

Practice on this two paragraph excerpt from the study. Look for whether the CDC acknowledges that the cause of the discrepancy in mortality rates might be the "healthy vaccinee effect" which is when people who are already more healthy are more likely to get vaccinated. Look carefully. Try to find the words "healthy vaccinee effect". Ready? Go:

The lower mortality risk after COVID-19 vaccination suggests substantial healthy vaccinee effects (i.e., vaccinated persons tend to be healthier than unvaccinated persons) (7,8), which will be explored in future analyses. Mortality rates among Janssen vaccine recipients were not as low as those among mRNA vaccine recipients. This finding might be because of differences in risk factors, such as underlying health status and risk behaviors among recipients of mRNA and Janssen vaccines that might also be associated with mortality risk.

Among persons aged 12–17 years, mortality risk did not differ between Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinees and unvaccinated persons; only 12 deaths occurred in this age group during the study period. The unvaccinated group might be more similar to the vaccinated group in risk factors than are vaccinated and unvaccinated adults.

[edwinland]

I think that's right, and the way to get the fact checkers to focus on the real issue is to focus on the real issue, and not lie about what the CDC is claiming.

And I don't think lie is too strong a word. The vaccinated population had a lower risk of death by accidents & homicide. If the CDC is saying that "after you get vaccinated" your risk of accidents "drops" then they would be insane and you wouldn't even need to discuss anything else they say. Which is the way this author would like us to react. But they didn't say that. Indeed they specifically said the opposite by referring to the healthy vaccinee effect. So the headline of the article is a lie.

[humblegunner]

Please stop taking us for stupid. This isn't Democrat Undergound.

Nope.

But there are some patches of Qtard Wonderland that might get stepped in.

Nobody needs a dab of Q-Poo on they shoe.

What's on yo shoe, foo?

Why it's a yabba-dabba Q-Poo!

WOO HOO!

Jive Turkeys.

[Steve_Seattle]

I'm still interested in the huge increase in the death rate between the first and second doses of the mRNA vaccines (per the chart in the article). Across all age groups, following the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine, there was a 445% increase of deaths reported after the first dose (from 1,157 to 5,143); for the Moderna vaccine, there was a 368% increase (from 1,202 to 4,434) between the first and second shots.

The first and second doses usually occur within a few weeks of each other, so why the huge difference? Maybe I'm misreading the data, but it appears that the second dose actually increases mortality among the vaccinated group, irrespective of how this compares to the unvaccinated group. This seems to be in line with what early critics of the mRNA vaccines predicted - they would have a cumulative toxic effect.

[SiGeek]

As far as lies on this topic go, I think “2 weeks to flatten the curve”, “racist to think this came from Wuhan”, “there are no other treatments besides the jab”, “pandemic of the un-vaxxinated”, and ... the concluding statement of this report, are all more serious lies.

This is a source of fun making it look like a “self-own” on the part of the CDC nerds. I don’t think there is a “Well, aktually...” that gets them out of the deceptiveness of this. If they had explained the report clearly, it would have watered down whatever deceptive point they were trying to make.

[bagster]

We've been over this. The 'healthy vaccine effect' you and they are talking about is from back in the day when there was no rona vax, just flu vax.

That set of circumstances is no more. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is getting the rona vax, or haven't you heard? Fat kids, skinny kids, kids who climb rocks. Tough kids, sissy kids, even pregnant kids with chicken pox. Don't even have to be a suburbanite with health insurance no more. Its all FREEEEEEEE on Uncle Sugar's dime.

So throw out that argument, its useless. Engage your brain and consider all aspects of a problem before you stick your foot in your mouth.

Just because you're desperate to support the derp state covid/vac agenda, doesn't mean you have to put forth bad arguments. But I guess that's all you people have left.

You're new here, so maybe you ain't heard. Arguing with me is a lose/lose proposition. Just ask Humblegunner.

p.s. Supporting the Fauci 'jab' is not a conservative position. Just the opposite.

[Steve_Seattle]

Since the vaccines were narrowly targeted to deal with the original strain of Covid-19, and are progressively less effective against newer strains, the claim of a generalized health benefit from the vaccines would need to be justified by positing some specific cause-effect relationship at the cellular level. Did the CDC establish what that relationship is?

Too many other possibilities exist, e.g., the vaccinated are generally in better health; the vaccinated have better access to good health care; the vaccinated are more pro-active in taking care of themselves; and - more controversially - the statistics have been selected and/or manipulated to show the desired result.

[Yaelle]

So all extreme athletes should get the vaccine and no one will ever get hurt again! 👍🏽😃😃

[bagster]

Ahh, I see what your problem is.

(from the article)

The CDC just released an analysis that after you get vaccinated, your all-cause mortality drops by 72% if you are age 18-44. Since 33% of deaths in that age group are from accidents, that means that it drives death from ALL diseases to ZERO and it ALSO reduces chance of dying in an accident.

The author is saying that, if the CDC is correct and 'all-cause' mortality drops by 72% for the vaccinated, ages 18-44, then it would have to follow that the figure drives deaths from ALL DISEASES to ZERO and ALSO would have to reduce the chances of dying in an accident. Which, as we all know, is completely ridiculous, thereby exposing the CDC study numbers as bogosity of the highest order.

Nobody is saying that, other than the CDC's bogus numbers. The author is merely pointing out how impossible that is.

You are looking for nits where there are none, simply to call tis article click bait and support your boy Fauci.

Get over yourself, and go look for another thread to scream CLICKBAIT!!! on. You're played out on this one.

Or you could tell the one about moving to Japan again. I like that story.

[bagster]

Okay, HG. Put down the meth pipe and back away slowly.

You're starting to sound like a bad LSD trip.

[humblegunner]

Put down the meth pipe

You ain't the boss of me.

[bagster]

You ain't the boss of me.

Yes.

I am.

#BendTheKnee

[heavy metal]

hypocrisy is on full display with hg...