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To: bagster
The vaccine is the variable which effects the cohort's 'mortality rate' as compared to that same cohort without that variable. The CDC says that the vaccine lowers the entire mortality rate by a ridiculous number

I admire your persistence. If you could match it with just a wee little bit of reading comprehension, you could be a good advocate for conservative causes.

Practice on this two paragraph excerpt from the study. Look for whether the CDC acknowledges that the cause of the discrepancy in mortality rates might be the "healthy vaccinee effect" which is when people who are already more healthy are more likely to get vaccinated. Look carefully. Try to find the words "healthy vaccinee effect". Ready? Go:

The lower mortality risk after COVID-19 vaccination suggests substantial healthy vaccinee effects (i.e., vaccinated persons tend to be healthier than unvaccinated persons) (7,8), which will be explored in future analyses. Mortality rates among Janssen vaccine recipients were not as low as those among mRNA vaccine recipients. This finding might be because of differences in risk factors, such as underlying health status and risk behaviors among recipients of mRNA and Janssen vaccines that might also be associated with mortality risk.

Among persons aged 12–17 years, mortality risk did not differ between Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinees and unvaccinated persons; only 12 deaths occurred in this age group during the study period. The unvaccinated group might be more similar to the vaccinated group in risk factors than are vaccinated and unvaccinated adults.

128 posted on 10/25/2021 1:22:00 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: edwinland; humblegunner; ransomnote
We've been over this. The 'healthy vaccine effect' you and they are talking about is from back in the day when there was no rona vax, just flu vax.

That set of circumstances is no more. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is getting the rona vax, or haven't you heard? Fat kids, skinny kids, kids who climb rocks. Tough kids, sissy kids, even pregnant kids with chicken pox. Don't even have to be a suburbanite with health insurance no more. Its all FREEEEEEEE on Uncle Sugar's dime.

So throw out that argument, its useless. Engage your brain and consider all aspects of a problem before you stick your foot in your mouth.

Just because you're desperate to support the derp state covid/vac agenda, doesn't mean you have to put forth bad arguments. But I guess that's all you people have left.

You're new here, so maybe you ain't heard. Arguing with me is a lose/lose proposition. Just ask Humblegunner.

p.s. Supporting the Fauci 'jab' is not a conservative position. Just the opposite.


133 posted on 10/25/2021 1:57:02 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: edwinland
when people who are already more healthy are more likely to get vaccinated

Is there any basis to believe that effect even exists? Wouldn't it be more likely that people who see doctors more often for other conditions are more likely to be vaccinated?

Look at the demographics for flu vaccines. Are they predominately taken by older people worried about the flu or 30 year old construction workers?

145 posted on 10/25/2021 3:39:17 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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