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What Went Wrong? Gun Prop Experts on Alec Baldwin Disaster (Producer Baldwin hired non-union gun handlers)
Daily Beast ^ | 10/22/2021 | Cheyenne Roundtree Justin Rohrlich

Posted on 10/22/2021 10:26:23 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

The production of the upcoming western movie Rust came to a tragic halt on Thursday afternoon in New Mexico, after actor and producer Alec Baldwin discharged a prop firearm that resulted in the death of the film’s cinematographer.

Halyna Hutchins, 42, was reportedly struck in the stomach and was airlifted to the University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died, according to Deadline.

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“Rule number one, when you’re doing these rehearsals, the firearm, even though it has blanks, it’s never fired at anybody, the angles are always cheated,” Howell says. “Those angles always look to the viewer as though it’s directed at them, but it isn’t, it’s always aimed off. So, the actors train, train, train, and then when the armorer decides that rehearsal is fine and lets everybody know, then you go ahead. So, it’s very, very controlled—health and safety risk assessments before you get there, and everybody is aware when there are live firearms on the set firing blanks.”

“We never point that barrel at another actor, even if it’s a gun that has a block barrel, it’s just good training,” Hunter added. “If you don’t point a gun at another human, it won’t kill them. You’re never supposed to have live ammunition on the set, but just because there’s no live ammunition does not mean that something can get in the barrel of a gun and become a projectile.”

It is unclear if the gun was fired during a scene rehearsal or filming, but Hunter explained that the firearm should never be placed in the actor’s hand until the last possible minute.

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KEYWORDS: alecbaldwin; baldwincontrol; baldwinscabs; banglist; bidenvoters; cheaplaborexpress; halynahutchins; joelsouza; newmexico; rust; scabs
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To: marcusmaximus

So when they ‘walked’ off the set... They left bullets in the guns? Hmm!


41 posted on 10/22/2021 10:50:21 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: marcusmaximus

So a union guy sets up the scenario for payback?


42 posted on 10/22/2021 10:50:55 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: marcusmaximus

You Don’t Say!!
This is the first I’ve heard about these very important details.

On a side note, I don’t think this particular movie ‘Rust’, will ever be completed. This terrible accident has changed everything associated with this film project.
Producers, investors, insurance rates, career utility.


43 posted on 10/22/2021 10:51:21 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: marcusmaximus

I see Baldwin as 2/3rds liable here. The prop hands are 1/3 liable for using live ammo. Baldwin is 1/3 liable for pointing a gun at someone and not excercising trigger discipline. And Baldwin is 1/3 liable as producer - he has primary endresponsibility for set safety.

He’s hosed.


44 posted on 10/22/2021 10:53:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: marcusmaximus

Union or Non Union doesn’t have one thing to do with it.

Those unions were threatening to strike for wages and working conditions.

Wait a second....Aren’t Liberals and the Left all about the working man, fair wages, wage equality, unions and folks being able to make a living wage? Isn’t that thinking one of the foundational ideas for EVERY DEMOCRAT and SOCIALIST POLITICIAN?

How could it be that Liberal #1, Alec Baldwin, didn’t want to pay a fair wage to the folks working behind the scenes?


45 posted on 10/22/2021 10:53:51 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: marcusmaximus

So only union people know how to handle firearms? Whodathunk.


46 posted on 10/22/2021 10:53:54 AM PDT by Slingwing
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To: marcusmaximus

The movie “The Deer Hunter” broke a lot of the Hollywood gun rules.

Russian roulette tends to do that.

DeNiro wanted to load a real round during the scene in the hooch.
He wanted to add realism and tension, I read. What a freakin’ moron!

The Director said no.


47 posted on 10/22/2021 10:54:35 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: marcusmaximus
Baldwin hired non union gun handlers because union gun handlers were threatening a strike and Baldwin didn’t want to delay production. So he hired scabs instead.

Which opens up the possibility that a union goon planted live rounds in the gun in retaliation.

48 posted on 10/22/2021 10:55:36 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: hoe_cake

It’s a shame this happened but Baldwin is such an asshole I can’t help hoping it has negative consequences for him.


49 posted on 10/22/2021 10:56:06 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“...that the union members sabotaged the set?”

Once I read “union dispute” and “scabs”, that is what came to mind. No evidence to prove anything so far as I know, except that Alec Baldwin murdered the woman via criminal negligence.

Never handle a firearm you haven’t checked yourself. Never point a firearm at a living thing you don’t intend to shoot. Baldwin isn’t a small child and he’s not mentally disabled in any legal sense. Being a hotheaded clown and lifetime fool isn’t much of a defense.


50 posted on 10/22/2021 10:57:07 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: marcusmaximus
From the Daily Beast:

[Prop and set artist by training and the business agent for IATSE Local 44 Tobey] Bays said the Rust shoot was “lower budget” and used a local crew that didn’t include any of his union members. There are only two major armorers in Los Angeles that provide modified prop guns for the entire country, he said, and “a proper round would not work in any of those guns.”

“I don’t know where this gun could’ve come from, if it came from a private owner and wasn’t fitted for entertainment weaponry?” Bays said. “That’s a possibility, but I have no clue.”

So far I've seen no actual description or photo of the gun that Baldwin was holding when the shooting occurred.

51 posted on 10/22/2021 10:58:20 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: dirtboy

Baldwin’s insurance won’t pay the related claims if he and his production company weren’t following proper risk management procedures.


52 posted on 10/22/2021 10:58:36 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: fella

Exactly.


53 posted on 10/22/2021 10:58:47 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (RIP my "teddy bear". )
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To: hoe_cake

There should NEVER be live ammo on a set.


54 posted on 10/22/2021 10:58:55 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Chewbarkah
Baldwin isn’t a small child and he’s not mentally disabled in any legal sense.

Well ... not in any legal sense ...

55 posted on 10/22/2021 10:59:15 AM PDT by x
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To: marcusmaximus

I commented in another thread that they would be more upset at using scabs vs the death of a young woman. I hate being right.


56 posted on 10/22/2021 11:00:10 AM PDT by 3RIVRS
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To: marcusmaximus

Anyone that has been around firearms knows you NEVER point the weapon at another human being, EVER.


57 posted on 10/22/2021 11:00:36 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: bigbob

‘It’s a shame this happened but Baldwin is such an asshole I can’t help hoping it has negative consequences for him.’

The higher you rise, the harder you fall.

Fall, Baldwin, you arrogant man.


58 posted on 10/22/2021 11:03:08 AM PDT by hoe_cake
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To: marcusmaximus
“the misfire of a prop gun with blanks” This phrase suggests that Baldwin didn't pull the trigger, but that some malfunction caused the prop gun to fire unexpectedly.

Presumably the police have the gun and are checking for any evidence for the alleged "misfire."

59 posted on 10/22/2021 11:03:39 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: hoe_cake

well this is his movie

hes the producer

so he’s facing multiple levels of serious consequences.


60 posted on 10/22/2021 11:05:46 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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