Posted on 10/14/2021 10:20:42 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Vaccination reduces the risk of dying or being hospitalised with Covid-19 by 90%, a French study of 22.6 million people over the age of 50 has found.
The research published on Monday also found that vaccines appear to protect against the worst effects of the most prevalent virus strain, the Delta variant.
“This means that those who are vaccinated are nine times less at risk of being hospitalised or dying from Covid-19 than those who have not been vaccinated,” the epidemiologist Mahmoud Zureik, who oversaw the research, told Agence France-Presse.
The study – the largest of its kind so far – was carried out by Epi-Phare a scientific group set up by France’s health system, its national health insurance fund, l’Assurance Maladie (CNAM), and the country’s ANSM medicines agency.
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
You would not have a seat at the table of experts discussing vaccine efficacy. But you are allowed to clutter a conservative forum with slanted opinions typical of the leftust UK Guardian and you do so without critical review instead calling those who advise you to balance your presentation with conflicting studies as "nutty conspiracy theorists." In doing so, you lower the quality of the discourse thereby causing the forum to appear not worthy of participation.
Sen. Rand Paul Grills HHS Sec. Becerra: "Quit Lying To People About Natural Immunity"
"Mr. Becerra, are you familiar with an Israeli study that had 2.5 million patients and found that the vaccinated group was actually seven times more likely to get infected with Covid than the people who had gotten Covid naturally?"
"The vast preponderance of scientific studies, dozens and dozens, show robust, long-lasting immunity after Covid infection. Even the CDC does not recommend measles vaccine if you have measles immunity. The same was true for smallpox. But you ignore history and science to shame the flat earthers, as you call them. You should be ashamed of yourself and apologize to the American people for being dishonest about naturally acquired immunity."
Of course, Macron's government is going to push the vaccines as part of that agenda. What you found was an inflated claim, a prevarification spread by The Guardian as propaganda.
In its hurry to propagandize, The Guardian didn't wait for peer reviewed journals to publish the findings (which they won't do) and instead used a contractor EPI-PHARE to Macron's health ministry which is a biased pharma backed printer of policy narratives..
"Our role is to ENLIGHTEN the PUBLIC AUTHORITIES in their DECISION-MAKING"
This is a contractor to health bureaucrats who will concoct data reports to align with the Macron-Davos agenda. This is not unlike what we witnessed last year with non-peer reviewed "Preprints" which were later proven deficient by peer-reviewed studies.
Here is the EPI-PHARE preprint:
https://www.epi-phare.fr/rapports-detudes-et-publications/impact-vaccination-covid-octobre-2021
In their linked report of 50-74 year olds, they write page 12:
The hospitalizations of the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated is a wrong metric for running risk réduction analysis.
Untrained readers here might benefit to understand that the above Hazard Ratio calculations are run on SAS, SPSS, and/or other analysis software. I could lead a complete novice to sit at the computer, load up the data, and click a few buttons to generate the above numbers. It looks so 'scientific', take the results and include them in a paragraph or table, and call it science. The training effort would be as fruitful as putting a teenager behind a car's steering wheel, show them the gas pedal, and leave them on the ranch to drive around. Bringing peer-review would be like taking said teenager off the ranch the same day and leaving them alone on a busy freeway.
Where the analogy ends is that EPI-PHARE is not a teenager. They appear as political hacks with some epidemy types clad in pencil jeans pushing SAS buttons on a computer in the background.
Red flag that any reader can see is the small fraction of hospitalizations referenced whereas The Guardian is blasting numbers of tens of millions. But that's the MO of the leftists at The Guardian.
The fatal red flag to the experienced like myself are the blatant omission of a breakdown of those hospitalized by comorbidities.
This is near exact approach used last year in the US by those pushing non-peer reviewed preprint reports on the efficacy of vaccines such as Remdesivir.
Here is President Trump recommending people ignore you.
Here is President Trump calling the vaccines "a true miracle" and you a true know nothing.
BTW, I don't agree with you that: President Trump has personal problems.
I never said Trump has personal problems. You lie.
Ok, anyone interested in reading your thread can now see you lack experience in this field.
Since understanding text is a problem for you, here is a video report about this study.
“President Trump recommends people get vaccinated”
really
try President Trump recommended (past tense) 7 months ago.
more information has come out you are living in the past.
Trump is wrong on Vaccines. He was also wrong on gender neutral bathrooms. He’s sometimes wrong, doesn’t make him wrong on America First issues.
In recent days, Trump has begun to reverse his view on vaccinés. He says he won’t be getting the booster.
Trump also praised the Southwest Airlines Pilot Union for issuing a complaint against vaccine mandates.
He’s getting booed for urging vaccines and he’s starting to understand why.
My take is Trump was bamboozled by pharma execs who I know are some of the smoothest talking sales people that exist putting fast-talking used car salesmen to shame.
What Trump says or doesn’t say has nothing to do with your lack of qualifications to hold a discussion on medical science. You are out of your league in this. Find something you know something about and create a thread on that.
Don’t believe these results for minute. Get back to me in a few months with the results of the winter colds and flu season.
Yes, Trump is recently turning around on vaccines. It takes awhile for real results to start coming in.
See the link to Rand Paul in #61 above.
Trump is not wrong on the vaccines, you are.
Telling people to inject vaccines into their bodies is as important as anything gets.
Especially from the point of view that the vaccines don't work and are harmful.
If anything, President Trump has moved closer to the vaccines.
He called the boosters a scam but now says he will get one if need be.
President Trump was always against mandates, that has not changed and is not anti-vaccine.
That you are so badly confused as such, says a lot about your poor knowledge on the subject (and anything else, really).
My take is Trump was bamboozled by pharma execs who I know are some of the smoothest talking sales people that exist putting fast-talking used car salesmen to shame.I don't agree with you that President Trump is a CLOWN and a BUFFOON (as Trump would put it).
> “I posted this study. I have not claimed I am an expert, like you do (LMAO!)”
I am an expert. I attended medical school and hold a doctorate in Statistics and Data Science. I have more than 30 years of experience in medical research and clinical trials.
Over more than 10 years of posting with other MDs and Science researchers on FR and elsewhere, those that engage conversations know within a few sentences that I have expertise that exceeds their own.
Whereas you seem to have only a ‘punk’ attitude. With certainty, if you ever expressed such an attitude at a science center conference room, you would be escorted from the building and made sure to never come back.
I never said Trump is a clown or buffoon. Those are your words, not mine. Again, you lie.
You have shown exactly zero knowledge about covid and the vaccines.
So when are you going to start impressing anyone with your expertise?
My “punk attitude” is reserved for conspiracy fools talking down to me, like you constantly do in every reply.
Again, a personal problem.
You sure are full of yourself.
I give you that.
My take is Trump was bamboozled by pharma execs who I know are some of the smoothest talking sales people that exist putting fast-talking used car salesmen to shame.Only a BUFFOON and a CLOWN could allow execs to fool him about injecting fake vaccines into all eligible Americans. Let alone himself and his lovely wife.
Words have meaning.
Over more than 10 years of posting with other MDs and Science researchers on FR and elsewhere,Btw, what other medical journals have you been published in besides FR?
I am published in many peer-reviewed journals, JAMA, and many other prestigious medical journals as well as non-medical theoretical statistics journals.
You have pushed disinformation carried by The Guardian and you lie. It’s time for you to stop playing games.
Your argument is nothing but fallacies.
I seriously have my doubts about that, coming from a paranoid person who self identifies as a Hostage in the best country in the world as if you are in Iran.
All US Presidents, all US State Governors and 96% of practicing physicians in the US who are vaccinated say you are the liar spreading disinformation.
All US Presidents, all US State Governors and 96% of practicing physicians in the US who are vaccinated disagree with you.
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