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To: Fractal Trader

“The vaccine provides a private protection — vaccine vs severe disease”

The money quote of the article. To be clear, you have posted an article that definitely states that the vaccine prevents serious illness. So remind me again, why you think the vaccine is bad? This is your data — your article — not mine.


2 posted on 10/13/2021 8:50:39 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr

So how is Singapore doing with Covid cases and deaths these days? What about Israel, Ireland and Malta?

Why are we having 5 to 10 times as many cases and deaths this fall with the vaccine compared to last year at the same t ime WITHOUT the vaccine?

Definitely supports your assertion — not!


6 posted on 10/13/2021 8:57:12 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: gas_dr

No doubt the vaccine reduces symptoms, but at what cost? What is the trade off?

In children, that would be reducing already very minor symptoms, if any, at the cost of completely unknown long term side effects?

I guess we can assume the long term side effects are the same as other mRNA drugs on the market. Oh, wait...

For an elderly person, with comorbidities the decision is very different than a child with very little risk who hopefully has decades left on the planet.


8 posted on 10/13/2021 9:03:15 PM PDT by SiGeek
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To: gas_dr

A private benefit at the cost what?

And why is your business why or why not others decide to take the private benefit?

I’ve had Covid. Confirmed case by test and classic symptoms. Antibodies.

My boss got a serious heart issue from the vaccine and will never fly again. He had Covid the same week I did. He discouraged all his employees.

I will lose my job 11/22 for a vaccine that offfers no public benefit and no private befit since I had Covid.

Again, what business it of yours that I will decline an uneccessary medical procedure ?


11 posted on 10/13/2021 9:10:42 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: gas_dr

Uh....how about the Vaxed is 5x more likely to die:

https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com/2021/06/24/vaccinated-nearly-6-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-variant/


13 posted on 10/13/2021 9:15:21 PM PDT by brjam (brjam)
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To: gas_dr

If you remember from the start of the plandemic, most “cases” are mild, with a survival rate over 99%.

You - or anyone else for that matter - cannot empirically prove that this “vaccine” has changed the trajectory of this disease by one iota.

Let’s see you do that.


25 posted on 10/13/2021 9:56:28 PM PDT by datura (The voice that brought you peace has nothing left to say.)
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To: gas_dr
To be clear, you have posted an article that definitely states that the vaccine prevents serious illness. So remind me again, why you think the vaccine is bad?

Are you that dense, or being purposely obtuse?

What you posted as the "money quote" is not the money quote.

This is:

the vaccines have not stopped and likely will not stop the pandemic.

The author is not implying that the vaccines are bad. The author is saying the part of the quote that you dishonestly left out: "what is the argument for mandates?"

-PJ

26 posted on 10/13/2021 10:02:18 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: gas_dr

The money quote of the article. To be clear, you have posted an article that definitely states that the vaccine prevents serious illness. So remind me again, why you think the vaccine is bad?
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Because it’s killing and maiming people at unprecedented rates and the CDC’s algorithm is designed to let it do so even if it kills EVERYONE vaccinated?

Because the damage done by the vaccine is far worse than Covid-19 and is more likely to occur than hospitalization/death from Covid-19?

The Fact that Fauci and Biden demand we have it, as they destroy our country on behalf of China is kind of a give away.

The fact that the FDA panel heard solid data it could not refute demonstrating the the Covid ‘vaccine’ kills 2 people for any one person they claim it protects. Then Welensky overrode the decision the advisory panel came to - not to have a booster - with a demand for booster.

Because science doesn’t matter as long as the Covid Plandemic controls the country. Remdesivir and Intubation kill but they are preferred treatments to medicaitons saving entire nations around the world (HCQ, Ivermectin).

Because science has been redefined as “Biden Approved Science” or “Fauci’s Latest Lies = Science” and the expertise of researchers and doctors outside the biowarfare effort is deemed ‘not science’?

There are so many reasons, but you ignore them all so I’ll stop here.

Please continue to pretend no one has every proven all that they have proven, over and over again, because that’s how Fauci/China want this biowarfare effort to be conducted.


34 posted on 10/13/2021 11:07:32 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: gas_dr
The vaccine provides a private protection — vaccine vs severe disease

Glad to see you’re finally admitting the “vaccines” don’t actually stop transmission. But this means they are by definition leaky vaccines. Leaky vaccines should never be administered during a pandemic because 1) they increase the likelihood and danger of mutations and 2) they prevent natural herd immunity from developing, which results in the pandemic lengthening.

This was all predicted by many top immunologists when the leaky vaccines were initially released. It was also predicted in the SPARS 2025 pandemic simulation exercise conducted by Johns Hopkins in 2017, which predicted governments and health institutions would fail to properly respond to the next coronavirus pandemic. Time for people to wake up and admit the actions that have so far been taken have only made the situation worse.

43 posted on 10/14/2021 2:26:32 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: gas_dr

The problem is the unstated part of your equation—vaccine side effects.

They may be mild or strong. They may be short-lived or may not be fully realized for years.

It is the great unknown—but many of us do know real people will real severe side effects.


45 posted on 10/14/2021 2:46:34 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: gas_dr

If it doesn’t stop the spread then it’s a therapeutic not a vax. It won’t end the virus. Herd immunity will. That’s the issue with how it’s been packaged since it’s release.


48 posted on 10/14/2021 4:11:13 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: gas_dr
To be clear, you have posted an article that definitely states that the vaccine prevents serious illness. So remind me again, why you think the vaccine is bad?

Because the 'prevention' wanes over time much, much more quickly than Natural Immunity. And, as far as we know, natural immunity does not produce micro clots that are ending sports players' careers, for example.

62 posted on 10/14/2021 10:32:37 AM PDT by RideForever (One of the CoVID Conatrol Group of Naturally Immune)
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