Posted on 09/21/2021 3:08:00 PM PDT by BeauBo
Your link in post #37 is from 7 July. Since then, Romania has gotten hit with the Delta wave, exacerbated by some of the lowest vaccination rates in Europe.
They are now straining to add more ICU beds, and ramp up their vaccination rate.
Yes, 2024 is long long way off in political time frame.
My guess is, democrats will not let the covid crisis go to waste and will continue to exploit it.
Your friends include Trump voters = 71 Million
People who chose to get the jabs = 3 TIMES Higher.
Do not forget there are twice as many Americans who got jabbed who did NOT vote for PDJT.
After 6 decades as a political junkie, I am prepared to bet my social security check, if the pandemic is alive in 2024, the candidate who portrays taking it seriously will win.
So.....I should believe you more than our government?
Definition of anarchist: one who does not believe in government or laws made by the government. I hope you are not one of them.
But the definition of a fool is someone who refuses to realize when they are being lied to. So don't pat yourself too hard on your own back there. For you are the perfect example of someone who refuses to open their eyes.
I want government that considers Americans above other people in the world, and I want laws that are administered equally. We have neither of those now. Enjoy your slavery
Beau
I posted 4 items today.
You had problems with one.
You shared your view about it, of which I partially agree.
Pretty sure that is how discussions work.
“That is how discussions work.”
Fair enough. No hard feelings.
I still love your Melanie meme.
…or maybe it’s just Melania.
No hard feelings at all BReau
That said, as it stands the CFR of resolved confirmed cases of COVID is ~2% in the US, and also globally. That is considerably higher than flu. (Few take into account that MANY flu cases also are moderate, mild, or asymptomatic and go unreported / unconfirmed. Heck, I've never been counted any time I had flu, even when it put me in bed for a day or two.) But, more importantly, COVID is much more infectious, in the case of Delta, much MUCH more infectious, than flu. That equals many more fatalities.
Just because the libs are using it doesn't mean "It’s the flu, “bro.” Anyone saying that can be dismissed out of hand.
These people don’t even think through what they are posting. If only 3 million COVID cases were real, we’d be looking at a CFR of almost 1 in 4.
SOMETHING has killed an “extra” 700k (roughly) Americans, most B4 the vaccines came into play...
I suppose it could be graphene in the water supply, intended to turn us all into radio controlled robots. /s
Ya’ know... It’ll be interesting to see how many Pubbies have died from COVID / COVID complications vs. how many Dems. Probably enough to throw some close elections.
Kinda makes it tough to stand for freedom when you (as a group) are self-destructing. :-(
Yes. When election time comes, we’ll remember the insanity (QAnon, conspiracy theories, compulsive lying), the insults, the libels and the threats against all who weren’t on the extreme fringes.
Update to my canvassing of non-gov’t sources, regarding adverse COVID-19 vaccine reactions, leaving out the typical sore arms, injection site rashes, or a day’s fatigue:
My friends, relatives on my side of my family, and former co-workers / business associates: No one directly knows of any adverse vaccine reaction worse than a shingles-like (more coverage but considerably less discomfort) several day delayed reaction. One fellow had a rash “all over” for ~4 weeks that interfered with him interviewing for a new job - this is the worst reaction in this group that I know of. Another rash reaction (trunk of body only) lasted for several days with minor discomfort; a 3rd (my wife) was full body, and overnight, but with very slight discomfort.
Contacts through my church and my wife’s church (the latter much bigger than mine): No one directly knows of any adverse vaccine reaction worse than a day long moderate rash reaction with only slight discomfort. This is a large group that slightly overlaps some of the below.
Contacts through my wife’s co-workers, some parents, their kids, and associates: No one in this pretty decent size private school system directly knows of any adverse vaccine reaction worse than a day long moderate rash reaction with only slight discomfort, except one in the next group.
Contacts through my daughter’s friends: One young man in her (and my wife’s) school system had an allergic reaction along the lines of a moderate but not critical reaction to a stinging insect. He was treated with an EpiPen, taken to a walk-in clinic, observed, and released the same day. This young man did have some history of allergic reactions to various shots, so I am a bit unclear as to why he got the vacc shot: I’m told he’s somewhat overweight, so, perhaps it was considered “slightly risky” either way. Otherwise, no one directly knows of any adverse vaccine reaction in this group worse than sore arms and a day of fatigue accompanied by a bit of a headache.
Contacts through my wife’s relatives and friends, excluding the below. This is a very large group: No one in this group directly knows of any adverse vaccine reaction worse than a day long moderate rash reaction with only slight discomfort. (1 case)
Contacts through health care professionals (and one chaplain at a good size hospital) excluding nursing home & retirement home staff: This is a modest size group, but much multiplied because these people work in health care organizations from small to large: I’d estimate effective monitoring of around 10k vaccinated persons. We have had here no severe or fatal adverse reactions, one hospitalization of a few hours and roughly a dozen other ER visits (there may be a couple overlapping reports). Some of the ER visits were people freaking out over a body rash, a couple appear to be psychosomatic all the way, and the rest were minor but I have no information beyond that. Add a few scattered rashes at the PCP level or less.
Contacts through health care professionals working as nursing home & retirement home staff: This only covers two such operations, so I hesitate to draw too many conclusions from this group.* I also no longer have any solid contacts in the retirement home portion of the larger home. OTOH, the smaller operation is a sizable nursing home only, but my wife and I have 4 good contacts among the staff, there, which allows for better coverage of the population and “crosschecking”. I also include my Mom who was a patient in one of these nursing homes. In any event, reactions to the vaccines seem to be muted here. The only real concern seems to be whether the lack of reactions means the vaccines were not working in some of this group with typically weak immune systems. That said, there have also been no COVID outbreaks, much less COVID fatalities* in the two nursing homes, this year. Careful mitigation with some help(?) from the vaccine shots seems to have worked, even with visitation allowed this last mid-spring through summer.
*Still, it was the lack of problems from the early vaccinations of this last, very fragile group, that helped convince me that my own modest risk of a severe COVID case was still much greater than the risk from the vaccines. I can find nothing I can verify to change that judgement.
“ My friends, relatives on my side of my family, and former co-workers / business associates: No one directly knows of any adverse vaccine reaction worse than…”
Same with me. He only thing I have heard from actual people that I know, are the type of reactions that are typical of vaccination generally (flu-like, or sore arms) - I don’t know anyone who had a rash, but I have seen that reported in the Press. It does seem to me that more people do feel a bit unwell after these shots than most vaccines, but still in the same general ballpark.
On the other hand, I have had two I knew well die from COVID, and others hospitalized (and others not hospitalized with strongly symptomatic or mild cases). My experience matches/confirms the research that I have seen, that the disease is greatly worse than the vaccine.
I am glad to have vaccine protection from it
“ Ya’ know... It’ll be interesting to see how many Pubbies have died from COVID / COVID complications vs. how many Dems. Probably enough to throw some close elections.
Kinda makes it tough to stand for freedom when you (as a group) are self-destructing. :-(”
THIS.
I’m really not sure how stating Covid isn’t the flu is “minimizing” flu, but 🤷♀️
Yes, it’s to the point of irrationality. Qanon laid a poisonous foundation by convincing so many on the right, especially older conservatives, that everything is a grand conspiracy and we’re all victims. When physicians who treat Covid patients are told they’re killers who don’t know what they’re talking about, we’re in a bad place.
II’ve seen these types advise sick people to breathe vinegar fumes and they’ll be cured, but don’t go to a hospital or they’ll murder you. Madness.
This is incredibly insightful, and might present an argument that would work.
These people who are now refusing basic medical care see themselves as victims of the medical establishment. Hmm.
If that is what you support, then you are part of the problem.
Open your eyes, the lies started when they told us that use of HCQ to combat Covid was dangerous, and then repeated those lies with ivermectin. Both are drugs that WHO recognizes as essential drugs. They lied regarding the number of deaths Covid caused, while adding in murder/suicide victims, vehicular accident deaths, and even flu deaths.
I don't want you to believe me, but I do want you to start paying attention to those who careers are based upon infectious diseases who are bravely speaking out.
Start paying attention to government officials who claim the border is closed while allowing people in by the 10s of thousands, which quickly add up to 100s of thousands and then millions.
Even with news censorship, the truth gets out. Discerning who is lying to you, and who is telling the truth can be difficult. That's when you look to motivation and follow the money, and discerning becomes much easier to spot who the truth tellers are, and who the liars are.
The media only lies for one political party, while it creates lies about the other. They willl stand behind those in the other party, as long as their statements bolster the one party they favor.
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