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Did Esper also say it was OK to give China the heads up if the US attacked?
Kristina Wong on Twitter ^ | September 15, 2021 | Kristina Wong

Posted on 09/15/2021 1:22:35 PM PDT by White Lives Matter

Kristina Wong Flag of United States @kristina_wong ·5h

Did Esper also say it was OK to give China the heads up if the US attacked?

Because it’s not just the “back channel” talks. It’s the secret meeting with military leaders to limit Trump’s authority on future attacks as well as giving China a heads up if there was an attack.

Quote Tweet Josh Rogin @joshrogin · 6h

Senior Defense Official confirms to me @axios reporting on Esper's role in China calls.

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.twitter.com ...


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Esper needs to be subpoenaed asap.
1 posted on 09/15/2021 1:22:35 PM PDT by White Lives Matter
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To: White Lives Matter

Why would any reasonable person do something like this?


2 posted on 09/15/2021 1:24:11 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: White Lives Matter

“Military attacks” aren’t limited to bombs, planes and bullets…


3 posted on 09/15/2021 1:25:56 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Eccl10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: White Lives Matter

Seems to be a lot of people here were believing Grenell when he said this couldnt have happened.


4 posted on 09/15/2021 1:27:28 PM PDT by RummyChick (Bagram was the most logical exit point. Stand up and justify your decision (hat tip Larrytown))
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To: AndyJackson
Why would any reasonable person do something like this?

Because they are not reasonable.

5 posted on 09/15/2021 1:27:34 PM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: White Lives Matter

Ever wonder why Trump left DC with zero actual fight? He was presented with a fait accompli coup. Milley, Barr, Wray, probably McConnell, Pence and Roberts let him know that he was no longer CIC and any resistance would be dealt with violently and immediately. I have felt betrayed by Trump because he didn’t rally us. I am beginning to understand why.


6 posted on 09/15/2021 1:29:04 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: White Lives Matter

The fact that the white house and congress are sanctioning this is just more proof our votes never really counted at all. I suspect it’s been that way for several decades. Everything is an illusion, and we are slaves to the bureaucracy.


7 posted on 09/15/2021 1:35:46 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: JoSixChip
Everything is an illusion, and we are slaves to the bureaucracy.

Just keep paying your taxes and shut up and sit down.

8 posted on 09/15/2021 1:37:37 PM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: White Lives Matter

Who did this? The Deep State. Who will suffer because of this? Not the Deep State.


9 posted on 09/15/2021 1:40:38 PM PDT by Richard Axtell (As if.)
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To: hardspunned
Milley, Barr, Wray, probably McConnell, Pence and Roberts

So the most incompetent league of political hacks could show us how things are done right? The deepstate is a ass and has now publicly besmirched itself. It has become a joke, has disaffected our allies and destroyed and international prestige we used to have.

This is what the NWO looks like. It looks like the result of central planning always looks like. It's like blowing up a dozen skyscrapers because no one wants to live in them. BTW Chinese central planning didn't invent that. American central planning did if you have never heard of Pruit Igoe.

America's strength is not all of us going along to get along. It's each of us having the freedom and independence to pursue our own lawful self-interest. Building unity and the need for it is a leftist idea, not a conservative one.

10 posted on 09/15/2021 1:51:29 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

“Why would any reasonable person do something like this?”

Woke is not reasonable.


11 posted on 09/15/2021 2:16:32 PM PDT by o-n-money (Not my president: WRONG Not the president: RIGHT)
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To: All

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Obviously, they’re coming to rescue Woke Milley, but the other part of this equation is directing others not to follow POTUS orders.

Court Martial and Prison.

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12 posted on 09/15/2021 2:18:59 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano (‘’)
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To: White Lives Matter

If this really happened, there is more to this story. If these men were the sober analysts this narrative is intended to portray them as, they would have bottled up Trump’s decision to nuke China and never let it see the light of day. China or no one would have ever known. The call to China would have been completely unnecessary. But a call of some type was made.

In their retrospection, in trying to cover themselves by portraying their fear that Trump was unhinged, they are giving themselves away as either completely stupid or trying to provoke a nuclear war. I would vote on the war angle. I say “their” because the general certainly did not act alone.


13 posted on 09/15/2021 2:20:33 PM PDT by odawg
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To: hardspunned; White Lives Matter
"Ever wonder why Trump left DC with zero actual fight? He was presented with a fait accompli coup. Milley, Barr, Wray, probably McConnell, Pence and Roberts let him know that he was no longer CIC and any resistance would be dealt with violently and immediately. I have felt betrayed by Trump because he didn’t rally us. I am beginning to understand why."

Yup. Some of us knew that, especially after the steal in November, he had no power, because he had no support. [1][2][3]
There wasn't anybody left who was going to follow any of his orders. Went from the vast majority of the fed gov against him, to everyone but perhaps a couple of people (ex. Pompeo, Meadows) and they...had no power, especially after the steal.

He was literally, a man on an island by himself.

...and, tangentially, this notion that milley had such grave concerns that Trump was going to launch a nuclear war, so he had to subvert him and conspire with the Communists in China and Trumps political rivals...is pure B.S. milley knows full well, at a minimum, Trump couldn't launch a nuclear war all by himself and that Trump was the most anti-war, get out of foreign entanglements President the country has had in well over a generation.

He knew nobody was following Trumps orders anymore, so the entire premise was moot at the root.

14 posted on 09/15/2021 2:29:25 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: odawg
"If these men were the sober analysts this narrative is intended to portray them as, they would have bottled up Trump’s decision to nuke China and never let it see the light of day. China or no one would have ever known. The call to China would have been completely unnecessary"

Exactly. They knew, the officers who would be tasked to carry out a presidents decision to launch nukes, were not following orders from Trump anymore. They decided they didn't report to civilian authority at that point.

15 posted on 09/15/2021 2:37:32 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

I think Milley is psychotic and should be relieved. He might actually believe all that wokest BS he spouts. This is the reason you must have civilian leadership, even a insurrectionist traitor like Biden is safer than a harebrained woke General Jack Ripper screwing around like this and starting WWIII.


16 posted on 09/15/2021 2:38:21 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: White Lives Matter

These reports are consistent with the public record at the time.

Then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper was outright countermanding President Trump’s stated intention to invoke the insurrection act. Esper publicly contradicted him.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/esper-does-not-support-invoking-the-insurrection-act.html


17 posted on 09/15/2021 2:44:15 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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Do you know what this means? Any president’s orders can be neutralized at any given moment by the military and Intel community. This means an actual military coup d’etat did take place. This can’t stand.


18 posted on 09/15/2021 2:55:24 PM PDT by White Lives Matter
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To: White Lives Matter
Any president’s orders can be neutralized at any given moment by the military and Intel community.

Um, yeah.

"Six ways to Sunday."

Welcome to the entire four years of Trump's (first) term.

19 posted on 09/15/2021 2:57:06 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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The irony is, other president's invoked the insurrection act for FAR less.

Past presidents have invoked the Insurrection Act 19 times, both with the request of the Governor of the affected state, and without their request. Note that every one of those 19 previous invocations of the act, were due to violence or disorder in a single city or single state/territory. President Trump invoking the act due to NATION WIDE violence, looting, arson and depravity of civil rights would certainly have been lawful and warranted.

List of invocations of Insurrection Act

Date of invocation Invoking President State requested?Affected areaOccasion
April 19, 1808 Thomas JeffersonLake ChamplainEmbargo Act violations[7]
August 23, 1831 Andrew JacksonYes Norfolk, VirginiaNat Turner's slave rebellion[10]
January 28, 1834 Andrew Jackson Yes Williamsport, MarylandLabor dispute by workers on Chesapeake and Ohio Canal[11]
October 17, 1871 Ulysses S. GrantNoSouth CarolinaSuppression of Ku Klux Klan[12]
September 15, 1872 Ulysses S. Grant No New Orleans, LouisianaUnrest following 1872 Louisiana gubernatorial election[13]
May 13, 1874 Ulysses S. Grant YesLittle Rock, ArkansasBrooks–Baxter War [14]
October 7, 1878 Rutherford B. HayesYesLincoln County, New Mexico TerritoryLincoln County War[15]
July 7, 1894 Grover ClevelandYes Chicago, IllinoisPullman Strike[16][17]
April 28, 1914 Woodrow WilsonYes[18]ColoradoColorado Coalfield War[19]
July 22, 1943 Franklin D. RooseveltYesDetroit, Michigan1943 Detroit race riot[20]
September 24, 1957 Dwight D. EisenhowerNoLittle Rock, ArkansasTo protect Little Rock Nine[21]:8
September 30, 1962 John F. KennedyNo Oxford, MississippiOle Miss riot of 1962[7]:13
September 10, 1963 John F. Kennedy No AlabamaEnforce desegregation orders on Alabama public schools[7]:13
July 24, 1967 Lyndon B. JohnsonYesDetroit, Michigan1967 Detroit riot[22]
April 5, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson YesWashington, D.C.1968 Washington, D.C., riots[23]
April 7, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Baltimore, MarylandBaltimore riot of 1968[24]
April 7, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Chicago, Illinois1968 Chicago riots[25]
September 1989George H. W. BushYesSaint Croix, United States Virgin IslandsDisorder following Hurricane Hugo[26]
May 1, 1992 George H. W. Bush Yes Los Angeles County, California1992 Los Angeles riots[27]

 

Notice something about the incidents where the states did NOT ask for help, but the feds went in anyway? ALL having to do with race/race relations.

20 posted on 09/15/2021 2:58:46 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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