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New Nanomaterial Produces Clean Energy Hydrogen Fuel From Seawater
https://scitechdaily.com ^ | September 14, 2021 | By UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA

Posted on 09/14/2021 7:28:11 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger
Of course, even if 100% efficiency is achieved (impossible, unless the 2nd. Law of Thermodynamics is repealed) it will sill take as much energy to produce the hydrogen as is obtained from burning it.

Then, add to this the myriad of problems that using hydrogen creates:

Heavy and large storage tanks
Embrittlement of metal distribution pipes
Low energy density
Inability to liquify
Leakage due to small molecular size
Very high storage pressures
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21 posted on 09/14/2021 8:16:46 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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To: Red Badger

πŸ™πŸŒπŸ». Making me hungry now dang it.


22 posted on 09/14/2021 8:19:56 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? πŸ˜•)
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To: Maine Mariner

I’m 110% sure you are correct

However, this sounds like a win-win for the eco-whack jobs. Clean energy and by using seawater it will reduce the rise of the oceans which is a byproduct of AGW. /s


23 posted on 09/14/2021 8:22:06 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: ctdonath2

Butt, butt, butt zero carbon. Well except making EVERYTHING to make EVERY component. Other than that, yeah.


24 posted on 09/14/2021 8:22:07 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? πŸ˜•)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Well, all of that is true!

ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS ADD SOME CARBON ATOMS TO THE HYDROGEN ATOMS, HOPEFULLY IN LONG CHAINS AND RINGS, AND THOSE PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED!...............


25 posted on 09/14/2021 8:24:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: norwaypinesavage

You mean there really is no such thing as a free lunch? drat.


26 posted on 09/14/2021 8:29:32 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"I wish them luck, but it’s a long, tough chemical and mechanical engineering journey from lab-scale to highly reliable, economical, commercial scale."

Agreed. Plus, you will have the environ-weenies and the fossil fuel industry fighting such tech. Then you have the distribution system that would need the gas companies to convert, and who owns the existing pipelines? Plus, are hydrogen fuel cells perfected and economical for vehicles? Real question.

Also, as pointed out above, desalination/filtering plants would have to be built.

27 posted on 09/14/2021 8:35:00 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: Red Badger

How long before the Chicoms steal this technology?
I think the best way for a hydrogen economy is to split seawater to hydrogen and oxygen, but use genetically-engineered kelp plants to create gaseous nodules of hydrogen for harvesting. Use sunlight/photosynthesis.


28 posted on 09/14/2021 8:35:26 AM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Frohickey

Last sentence:

He received his doctorate in materials science from Tsinghua University in China.


29 posted on 09/14/2021 8:37:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: shotgun

I saw how the eco-wack jobs in Maine some 20 years or so ago.

They pushed hard for wind power. And anyone who opposed wind projects were reactionaries under the thumb of the fossil fuel industry.

So, wind mills started to be built-some were fairly large projects funded with private investment funds. And yes you guessed it; the eco-wack jobs started to complain about these projects. It is a no-win position with these leftists.


30 posted on 09/14/2021 8:40:00 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: z3n
Good questions, I don't know the answers. With all my years in CA, I've always heard how expensive they are to build. There's one just south of Huntington Beach, CA and it's about the size of a small oil refinery. However, with today's mechanical and tech advances, they might be more cost effective. Read my post above about the distribution problem and those who would fight such a change to hydrogen.

I also wonder why hydrogen would be better than natural gas to your stove and other applications. I also asked above, are hydrogen fuel cells for vehicles safe and economical? And what about petroleum by-products that are used in countless every day products. You probably have dozens of products in your own home. Think plastic to start.

31 posted on 09/14/2021 8:48:53 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: Aevery_Freeman

No, they’ll capture the O2. Hospitals need it for all the ventilators for Covid-x patients.

And of course they have competition for that resource from Elon Musk who needs LOX to keep the rockets flying.


32 posted on 09/14/2021 8:52:48 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Maine Mariner

Read the names.... While the rest of the world is producing STEM geniuses the dumbed down brainwashed clowns with “American” names are going to college to become environmental lawyers and gender queer studies.


33 posted on 09/14/2021 8:53:08 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: z3n
Magnesium has been commercially extracted from seawater via electrolysis since about 1940. This is the primary source of magnesium worldwide.

You're certainly correct that seawater has a myriad of mineral salts in it but AFAIK magnesium metal and sodium chloride salt via evaporation are about the only inorganics commercially obtained from seawater. Other inorganics are not economically recoverable, again AFAIK. I've been away from the state of the art in this for quite a time.

Trivia! The gargantuan Dow Chemical chemical complex in Freeport, TX started up in 1940. Not one but two duplicate complexes were built in 18 months including sea walls and a 5-mile barge canal to Plant B. It had the same priorities for funding and resources as the Manhattan Project, which led to the nuclear bomb. Plant A is on the coast adjacent to the harbor and Plant B is about 5 miles inland. Plant B was insurance as it was out of range of deck guns on WWII German submarines. Primary products were magnesium, chlorine, sodium hydroxide and epoxy. Magnesium for flares and incendiaries, chlorine and caustic for explosives and epoxy for Bakelite (ex. aircraft dash panels).

34 posted on 09/14/2021 8:58:53 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Organic Panic

I just retired from teaching for over 30 years at the Maritime College in Maine. We graduate engineers with plenty of hands-on practical training. Also, we graduate students who major in international business and logistics, with an emphasis on logistics and supply chain management. The students in our hands-on programs are usually employed before they graduate or within 30 days after.


35 posted on 09/14/2021 11:08:01 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: A Navy Vet

“Then there is the problem with the hydrogen fuel cells in vehicles. I’m not sure if that has been perfected as yet.”

An on-demand system would nix the fuel cell.


36 posted on 09/14/2021 11:08:55 AM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: Red Badger

How much power does it take to accomplish the split? Will the cost be prohibitive?


37 posted on 09/14/2021 11:20:03 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Red Badger

Ok, from what I’m reading they built a better electrolysis plate. However, the energy deficit will be the larger problem. You have to input energy to run electrolysis. Where’s that energy come from?


38 posted on 09/14/2021 11:22:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I feel like it is 1937 Germany, and my last name is Feinberg.)
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To: rktman
"Butt, butt, butt zero carbon. Well except making EVERYTHING to make EVERY component. Other than that, yeah."

That is what the environ-weenies and politicians never realize or ignore.

39 posted on 09/14/2021 11:24:49 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: Lazamataz

E-Cat......................


40 posted on 09/14/2021 11:25:03 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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