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Vaccines Have NEGATIVE Effectiveness in the Over-40s, as Low as MINUS 38%, Shows New PHE Report
https://dailysceptic.org ^ | 10 September 2021 | Will Jones

Posted on 09/10/2021 8:13:02 AM PDT by Enterprise

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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Thanks for the summary. I concur with your analysis.

I would only add that they economic and social cost of getting sick is what causes quarantines and business shutdowns. Don’t get me wrong, hospitalization and treatment until death are super expensive. However, if public policy is to vaccinate everyone to restart the economy that is a false premise that will not accomplish its purpose.


21 posted on 09/10/2021 9:23:20 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357

You wrote “...hospitalization and treatment until death are super expensive. However, if public policy is to vaccinate everyone to restart the economy that is a false premise that will not accomplish its purpose.”

As somebody else upthread posted, we don’t know how many of these “Cases” are actually people who are symptomatic. With all the testing going on, it could be that most are mild or asymptomatic cases and people will only miss a few days of work while they recuperate at home. So maybe mass vaccination WILL accomplish its goal — reduce hospital loads, get people recovering at home (if they have symptoms), and get them back to work. What do you think?


22 posted on 09/10/2021 9:43:26 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Big woop. There is a 99% chance of surviving it.


23 posted on 09/10/2021 9:49:34 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"BUT, it sure is remarkably helpful to prevent you from going to the hospital and dying. And that is across ALL age brackets."

True, if you just look at the comparative numbers, but notice how low the death rate is even for the unvaccinated: under 50, .5 per 100,000, over 50, 25.5 per 100,000. In other words, nearly all of the unvaccinated survive this illness.
24 posted on 09/10/2021 9:52:09 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"BUT, it sure is remarkably helpful to prevent you from going to the hospital and dying. And that is across ALL age brackets."

Nonetheless, the fact that in most of the older age groups the double-vaccinated have more cases than the unvaccinated is a red flag. Why would that be, and does it point to some cumulative adverse effects caused by the vaccines? And what of deaths attributed to other causes (heart attack, stroke, etc.) among the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated? I would like to see some statistics on that.
25 posted on 09/10/2021 10:00:28 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Enterprise

Well, between this and 11 stents in my 63-year-old heart, I think I’ll pass on the booster...


26 posted on 09/10/2021 10:17:09 AM PDT by jagusafr ( )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

# Agreed. This “case” measurement is just nuts. Hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths are what really matter.

ICU admissions matter less than one would ordinarily think, since the big push is to garner the money from ICU beds


27 posted on 09/10/2021 10:34:58 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I’ve been tracking that for a while. In Idaho (1.8 million population), 79 people have died of COVID under age 50! Only SEVENTY NINE! And 214 under age 60. These are “COVID-Related Deaths,” too.


28 posted on 09/10/2021 11:39:06 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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To: Steve_Seattle

Isn’t it remarkable how incurious the press and medical establishment is on these topics? Where are the preliminary papers examining these issues? Nothing but dead silence.


29 posted on 09/10/2021 11:41:58 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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To: Enterprise

I take this to mean that if you’re between 40 and 79 and double-vaccinated, you sure as hell better start on Ivermectin.


30 posted on 09/10/2021 12:09:07 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: jagusafr
"Well, between this and 11 stents in my 63-year-old heart, I think I’ll pass on the booster..."

Ditto. I would think stents and blood clots are not exactly compatible.

32 posted on 09/10/2021 2:17:17 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: StAnDeliver

Silly!


33 posted on 09/10/2021 7:45:26 PM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I’ve been tracking that for a while. In Idaho (1.8 million population), 79 people have died of COVID under age 50! Only SEVENTY NINE! And 214 under age 60. These are “COVID-Related Deaths,” too.

Must be the potatoes.

34 posted on 09/10/2021 8:17:50 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I wrote “...hospitalization and treatment until death are super expensive. However, if public policy is to vaccinate everyone to restart the economy that is a false premise that will not accomplish its purpose.”

You wrote: As somebody else upthread posted, we don't know how many of these “Cases” are actually people who are symptomatic. With all the testing going on, it could be that most are mild or asymptomatic cases and people will only miss a few days of work while they recuperate at home. So maybe mass vaccination WILL accomplish its goal — reduce hospital loads, get people recovering at home (if they have symptoms), and get them back to work. What do you think?

What I think is that the way we treat someone with Covid is to isolate them for many days along with their family and to force the business where they work to get "sanitized and cleaned." What the study implies is that the Covid Alpha vaccine based on DNA mapping from late 2019, is not that effective at preventing catching Covid Delta. From what I have read Covid Delta has a higher virus loading on patients who test positive than Covid Alpha did.

So the question is what social good will happen if mass vaccination is forced. Well deaths and hospitalizations from Covid Delta will go down dramatically. Some medical side effects from the vaccines will go up. The number of people coming down with Covid Delta will not change by much and so the impact on business disruption will not be greatly improved.

Right now mass vaccination is being pushed for several reasons, but mostly not the real reasons. Where I live, we are being told that wearing masks and forcing people to get vaccinated is to prevent un-vaccinated from giving the vaccinated Covid Delta. For the vaccinated, wearing masks will help (a little) from them getting large viral loads of Covid Delta, no matter the vaccine status of the carrier. For the Vaccinated, forcing the un-vaccinated to get vaccinated will not keep them from catching Covid Delta.

Most of the public policy justification on mass vaccination is a lie. If it was that hospitals are overwhelmed, then it might be true. But in the past, when hospitals ran short of beds, the National Guard set up field hospitals in sports fields and Navy Hospital ships were sent to hot spot areas. There is no talk of that, it is just force people to get vaccinated or loose their jobs.

Any yes, I choose to get the Moderna vaccine as soon as I could, because it was so effective against Covid Alpha. Any friends I have, I would advise them to get the vaccine designed to fight Covid-Alpha, because it would reduce their chance of dying or being hospitalized by Covid Delta. I would not lie to the and tell them it would help prevent them from getting Covid Delta.

35 posted on 09/11/2021 1:36:30 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Enterprise

ping


36 posted on 09/11/2021 3:46:19 PM PDT by WhattheDickens? (Funny, I didn’t think this was 1984…)
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To: Enterprise

ping


37 posted on 09/11/2021 4:52:55 PM PDT by WhattheDickens? (Funny, I didn’t think this was 1984…)
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To: Robert357

There’s talk of re-opening field hospitals here in North Idaho again.


38 posted on 09/11/2021 10:23:19 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I am glad they are talking about field hospitals in Idaho, that is a smart and compassionate move.

Mandated vaccinations, will reduce the number of Covid Delta patients needing hospital and ICU care. So I can understand why some in Idaho may favor mandated vaccinations.

However, it will not keep keep the vaccinated from getting Covid Delta. And perhaps more concerning, is that there are some medical professionals who will leave the profession, rather than get vaccinated, which also will cause a shortage of staffed hospital beds & ICU capability.

39 posted on 09/13/2021 3:10:36 AM PDT by Robert357
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