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To: ransomnote
It still goes back to the manipulation of statistics. If 80+% of Israel is vaccinated, and the belief is the vaccines are doing zilch to improve on the death rate, it would stand to reason that 80+% of the deaths would be those who are vaccinated.

Given these numbers, an unvaccinated individual is over twice as likely to die from COVID than a vaccinated individual. That said, if there were a true vaccine on the market, the percent of COVID deaths for a vaccinated person should be near ZERO. Whatever cocktail people have been injected with up to three times, it is not a vaccine.

5 posted on 09/08/2021 6:15:44 AM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021)
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To: CatOwner
It still goes back to the manipulation of statistics. If 80+% of Israel is vaccinated, and the belief is the vaccines are doing zilch to improve on the death rate, it would stand to reason that 80+% of the deaths would be those who are vaccinated.

The 'fallout' from 'vaccination' is not yet complete. People are still struggling, sickening, dying from Dose 1, Doses 1+2, and Doses 1+2+3. Flu season is approaching and the vaccinated are likely to really be hit hard with ADE when they contract flu/cold or other infections.

The assertion may not have been that 'vaccines are doing zilch'. FDA rules reject 'vaccines' which fall below 50% efficacy. Further, for PFizer to say it's efficacy was 95% and to now have it under 40% and falling should END PFIZER. They knew they were targeting entire nations, large portions of the world with a barely half-baked trial, supposedly, we were told, and still are told, in the midst of the worst pandemic (NOT) in human history from a (NOT) 'novel' virus and THIS was PFizer's A-Game? 

Pfizer's data has been questioned because they knowingly used an invalid PCR test and then ignored cases of what Pfizer called 'suspected Covid' when calculating their 'efficacy' to be 95%. The invalid, faulty nature of the PCR, which is not designed to diagnose disease, and was run at cycles which rendered the 'test' results meaningless, was not a surprise to Pfizer.

SO when Pfizer had around 3000 people (vaxxed, and unvaxxed) who were symptomatic of illness but negative on the useless PCR 'test', Pfizer dubbed them 'suspected Covid' and didn't count them. Had Pfizer counted sick people as sick, their 'efficacy rate' would have been around %19 during a 60 day period.

Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data January 4, 2021

It would have continued to fall beyond 60 days when ADE kicked in. Back when real vaccines took 12 years to test for long term effects, it would have been bizarre to assume the 'vaccine trial concluded' in a matter of months and no further harm COULD result.

Pfizer shouldn't exist anymore as a company, nor should Moderna et. al. 

Given these numbers, an unvaccinated individual is over twice as likely to die from COVID than a vaccinated individual.

I'm not following your reasoning.

That said, if there were a true vaccine on the market, the percent of COVID deaths for a vaccinated person should be near ZERO. Whatever cocktail people have been injected with up to three times, it is not a vaccine.

It's a gene therapy - they know that. But if they called it a 'vaccine' they could escape all liability, or so they thought. Also, they want to FORCE it on people, and 'vaccine' is better than 'genetic therapy' when you are enacting a medical Communist overthrow.

12 posted on 09/08/2021 6:40:31 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: CatOwner

Well said. There is more that we don’t know than we do, however.

Your argument is sound, all things being equal. I would throw out the following, which may change your analysis, somewhat:

1) In Israel, many of the unvaccinated may well be those they do not want to vaccinate - the immunocompromised, those already with life-threatening conditions. It may well make sense that these weight heavily toward deaths.

2) The spread of the virus is going to account for deaths in the future. You allude to this in part of your observation. The vaccine does not prevent death. It does not prevent contagion, either. It may well enhance it, with the contagious out and about, infecting others. In any event, the immunity it confers is narrow. Delta shows us that the virus will be back, and in a form that these vaccines will not well address. Symptoms of the infected are not the sole, or even paramount, measure of vaccine efficacy, in my opinion. Prevention of infection, eradication of the virus, is.


14 posted on 09/08/2021 6:49:38 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty (Fauci is the arsonist in the Fire Department)
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To: CatOwner
It still goes back to the manipulation of statistics. If 80+% of Israel is vaccinated, and the belief is the vaccines are doing zilch to improve on the death rate, it would stand to reason that 80+% of the deaths would be those who are vaccinated.

Given these numbers, an unvaccinated individual is over twice as likely to die from COVID than a vaccinated individual. That said, if there were a true vaccine on the market, the percent of COVID deaths for a vaccinated person should be near ZERO. Whatever cocktail people have been injected with up to three times, it is not a vaccine.


Correct. It is NOT a vaccine. I call it a "therapy" at best. This is the "angle" I'm taking when discussing the "vaccine" with the logically challenged. I start out with "Boy, I'm glad I didn't have a 'breakthrough' case of polio or measles or etc...". That starts the next conversation about why I don't think it is a vaccine. This line of simple reasoning is starting to break through their mind numbed by the propaganda from the MSM.
33 posted on 09/08/2021 8:56:50 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (The truth is always your friend.)
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To: CatOwner
It still goes back to the manipulation of statistics.

Now be honest. Is this what a "safe and effective" vaccine was supposed to look like? If you've gotten to the point that you have to ascribe obvious vaccine failure to statistical manipulation, haven't you already lost the argument?

The shot was supposed to get us to the point where covid is a non-factor in life and a very clear benefit. In Israel, everything has gone sideways. It's undeniable.
43 posted on 09/08/2021 11:38:43 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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