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Mandated Vaccinations. Who is Responsible for Their Risks?
NVIC ^ | 8-30-21 | Heidi Wetzler

Posted on 08/31/2021 6:10:41 AM PDT by Meah

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To: Meah

I thought the government maintained some kind of general vaccine injury compensation fund but the burden of proof is on the claimant and rarely collected.


41 posted on 08/31/2021 7:47:13 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Meah

To consider the significance of data science must consider what normally happens. Normally the sun rises in the East. If we see it rising in the West one morning we should ask why. Normally VAERs reports 150 vaccine deaths a year. Its been that way for 30 years since it started year in and year out...with half the country getting flu vaccinations every year...a number in the ball park of those getting these new experimental “vaccines” this year. But this year something changed. 150 is normal, but now we are on track for about 15,000 by end of year. A one hundred fold increase. Two orders of magnitude. About how many deaths total we would expect for three days worth of deaths from all causes...with the lions share of those deaths reported in the first three days. Arguing that vaers does not itself follow standards of good medical studies is missing the point. It like the sun rising in the West is data, and a change like that cries out to be explained, and one explanation jumps out as simple and obvious with no real competitors. The experimental vaccines are causing almost all of these deaths because they are much more deadly than flu shots. This is the only null hypothesis anybody who claims to follow science should have. If one wishes to show otherwise then one should make the case as to why common sense us mistaken. Arguing that vaees is not a study is like arguing that observing the sunrise is not a study. Its a radically different observation than what we would expect if the new shots were not far more deadly.


42 posted on 08/31/2021 7:54:05 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: TexasGurl24

OK. It is still pure Political Ploy.

It is NOT about Public Health.


43 posted on 08/31/2021 8:07:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

Absolutely agree.


44 posted on 08/31/2021 8:14:01 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: Meah

good question. normally for example in the building trades, the person or engineer or company who did the calcs, who built the house, or bridge, takes the responsibility for injury, if the house or the bridge falls down due to fraud or negligence. this goes back to the Bible and the code of hammarabi.

however, it looks like all the purveyors of this “vaccine” have eschewed the assumption their normal responsibilities, especially now that the “vaccine” has proven to be leaky—neither safe or effective.

so effectively now, you and you alone are responsible for evaluating the risk of your taking this “vaccine” for you and your children, neighbors, family, friends, etc. thus informed consent becomes paramount.

funny that, since informed consent is exactly what is under attack via these vaccine mandates/mask mandates by the same people who eschew responsibility for your injuries. they are hypocrites.


45 posted on 08/31/2021 8:27:42 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: AndyTheBear

Great post!


46 posted on 08/31/2021 8:31:12 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Meah

Read the consent form or have someone read it to you if you are illiterate before you accept the shot. It’s crystal clear who is responsible.


47 posted on 08/31/2021 9:23:42 AM PDT by Clarancebeaks
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To: SMARTY

I had recently read (possibly on FR) that the Pfizer CEO was exempting himself from the vaxx. This should tell us something. If he can do that, maybe everyone else should follow his example unless he had an excellent reason for doing this. I don’t think he made a statement as to why he was doing it.


48 posted on 08/31/2021 9:34:13 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: oldtech

Lots of individuals, government groups, medical personnel, vendors and research people, etc., have exempted them selves or have been GIVEN exempted status.

WHY???


49 posted on 08/31/2021 9:38:49 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: Texas Fossil

Texas Fossil wrote:

“OSHA drops BOMBSHELL: Employers who mandate covid vaccines may be held liable for “any adverse reaction”

https://dreddymd.com/2021/05/20/osha-drops-bombshell-employers-who-mandate-covid-vaccines-may-be-held-liable-for-any-adverse-reaction/

Well, if businesses are liable for adverse reactions, why is State or Fed Gov not liable?

OSHA did a 180 a short time later, so employers can’t be held liable.


50 posted on 08/31/2021 10:08:16 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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To: tnlibertarian

But are the employers that mandate shots still liable per OSHA?


51 posted on 08/31/2021 10:11:07 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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To: qwerty1234

Qwerty1234”...advice from OSHA that if an employer requires the vaccine as a condition of employment, and there are bad outcomes, it is considered a work-related injury - so employers are on the hook for damages, lost wages etc. ...”

Is this the point that OSHA did a 180 on, right after taking that stance?


52 posted on 08/31/2021 10:12:19 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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To: qwerty1234; Cboldt

qwerty1234 wrote:

>>As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.”

But just changing the recording requirements, does not by itself negate liability - that is for the lawyers to figure out - and I suspect there will be lots of lawsuits.”

OK, so the reporting requirements changed so they’re not required.

Does that mean that there’s no data that can be used in a wrongful death lawsuit against the company?


53 posted on 08/31/2021 10:18:06 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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To: AndyTheBear

Thanks for that info!


54 posted on 08/31/2021 10:19:45 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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-- Does that mean that there's no data that can be used in a wrongful death lawsuit against the company? --

No, it does not. The viability of those lawsuits will turn on factors other than the fact of conditional employment and the possible finding that the clot shot was a cause of death.

And, FWIW, same arguments will play in suits against universities and other schools.

But I think it is pretty clear that "the system" is rigged to support mandatory vaccination, or at least to not punish for invoking mandatory vaccination. I predict reasoning along the lines of "Even though some amount of death is a foreseeable consequence, public health, blah blah blah ...." and the remediy lies with legislated pool of damages money.

After many years of watching, I have seen freedom nibbled away, never nibbled back.

55 posted on 08/31/2021 10:26:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: WildHighlander57

Not sure OSHA’s stance on it, but it looks like most companies will be running claims through workers’ comp.


56 posted on 08/31/2021 11:20:03 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: P-Marlowe

Just going back to the PCR test that doesn’t differentiate between flu and COVID 19 tells us that the death counts are off.


57 posted on 08/31/2021 10:34:54 PM PDT by Whyfor
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To: Meah

Responsibility lies with each person.

Vengeance belongs to Him.

But I can see a point where a family who has lost a loved one, and no justice is to be found legally, will be pushed too far and hard.

And that’s when employers or their loved ones, or doctors and their loved ones, come face to face with their own untimely demise

People are not just going to take it.
This nation will want its pound of flesh from the tyrants.


58 posted on 09/01/2021 7:29:01 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Meah

Think about this seriously.

https://populist.press/red-cross-vaccine-alert-you-gotta-hear-this/


59 posted on 09/01/2021 7:31:53 AM PDT by dforest
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