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For 80 percent of those who have died from Covid, Corona is probably not the cause of death [Translated]
Aktuell informier ^ | 30 August 2021

Posted on 08/30/2021 8:38:32 AM PDT by Fractal Trader

The physician Bertram Häussler is head of the independent health research institute IGES Berlin. He and his team have been creating the “Pandemic Monitor” since August 2020. Now the institute has determined that the majority of the Covid deaths reported by the RKI are unclear as to what the people actually died of.

In an interview with “Welt”, Häussler explains that around 80 percent of the official Covid deaths reported by the RKI since July had a corona infection more than 5 weeks ago. Therefore, it can be assumed that Corona was not the real cause of death.

The cause lies in the reporting system and the counting method In an interview with “Die Welt”, the head of the IGES Institute explains how this high number of incorrectly reported Covid deaths can come about. There are now around 3.8 million people in Germany who have survived an infection with the corona virus. In purely mathematical terms, around 100 of these 3.8 million recovered people die each day from other causes of death.

It then happens, however, that such deaths were assigned to a corona infection months ago in a health department. These people are then still included in the statistics of corona deaths. It could also be a very old person who was infected in 2020, but has now died of heart failure, said the doctor.

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Also currently reported deaths too high The RKI currently reports around 8 deaths every day. Six to eight weeks ago there were around 2 deaths per day.

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So one can state that the death rate is very low and - “Unfortunately, it must be said - this number is still too high. More deaths are reported than actually died from Corona

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To: Enlightened1

That’s a misreading of that data. It actually means those deaths were
Rmiscoded as no one dies of COVID. People die of what COVID does.


21 posted on 08/30/2021 9:12:16 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (No konger in VA. Living the OBX life now!)
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To: Hman528
until then you say stupid things!

Your problem is that you let your emotions overrun rational thought. Both my wife and I had covid less then a month ago, along with over a half dozen other family members. All unvaxed and all fully recovered. They are using people like you to generate fear and panic in order to control us. This is not the first bad flu to come along. What goes around, comes around.
22 posted on 08/30/2021 9:13:42 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: fireman15

they died in the hospital and fortunately my wife- her parents- and I were able to go and be outside their room, and talk to them on the phone and see them, this was in november, my mother in law actually developed clots from the virus and one broke loose and she died immediately after being in there about 3 1/2 weeks, my father in law a passed a few days later just from the havock the virus reacked on his lungs and decreased breathing ability.


23 posted on 08/30/2021 9:15:38 AM PDT by Hman528
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To: Fractal Trader

I’m no doctor but I slept at a Holiday Inn last year. If they were hospitalized prior to Covid -19 symptoms were recorded, they likely died from Sepsis. Sepsis kills 270,000 patients a year in US hospitals and that number was down last year from years before. My husband had sepsis following chemo therapy. He had been hospitalized. He was on a respirator. He went into remission with great medical treatment and lived a full life for two more years. The WHO was panicking about 100’s of 1000’s of global deaths from sepsis at the same time Covid-19 was making its debut into the nightmares of we the people. They suddenly went silent.
Is Sepsis still killing people in US hospitals at the rate of 270,000 a year or not???


24 posted on 08/30/2021 9:17:26 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (I was wrong about Mitt Romney. I was wrong about Paul Ryan and the RNC. I’m ashamed.)
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To: JoSixChip

stupid people like me? what are you a joke? I dont live in fear, neither did my in laws who died, stupid statements are stupid statements, when you have people you love die from this virus then you will see stupid statements as stupid. what goes around comes around? what the heck does that mean? I am glad you recovered my in laws didnt’ and now my kids have no grandparents dont be an idiot.


25 posted on 08/30/2021 9:20:19 AM PDT by Hman528
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To: Hman528

Stupid was your word, not mine.


26 posted on 08/30/2021 9:21:45 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: Hman528

So sorry to hear about that. My mother’s difficulties also seem to be clot related. My wife’s mother died long ago from a clot that broke loose and went to her brain.


27 posted on 08/30/2021 9:22:43 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: Fractal Trader

more like 90+ percent.


28 posted on 08/30/2021 9:23:04 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Fractal Trader

probably a goodly amount died of “hospital.”


29 posted on 08/30/2021 9:24:11 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Owen
What you are saying does not match the data. Excess deaths are trending down. Of course the last four weeks of data is not accurate, but the downward trend starts around 1 July and show no sign of abating.

Excee deaths

30 posted on 08/30/2021 9:28:03 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: JoSixChip

what is your problem? dont be a stupid idiot. hows that? I said comments people make like- people die with covid not from covid -is a stupid comment which it is. my in laws wouldnt have died had they not had covid what is so hard to understand about that? sorry you dont like that.


31 posted on 08/30/2021 9:28:09 AM PDT by Hman528
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To: fireman15

sorry to hear about your mother. its a tough situation.


32 posted on 08/30/2021 9:30:33 AM PDT by Hman528
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To: Hman528

I see from your posting history that this is the first time that you have shared this very painful experience on this forum. Thank you for sharing this with us after all of these months... For me it would have been very difficult to not mention it. But we all react differently to life changing events. I hope that this will be a cathartic experience for you.


33 posted on 08/30/2021 9:31:09 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: Hman528

“ so the wording that people like to say- they died with the virus not from the virus is mindboggling to me! when you have someone you love die from the virus you understand, until then you say stupid things!”

Please show me where anyone said that about your in-laws.

I’ve seen a total of zero people anywhere claiming that covid doesn’t exist or isn’t dangerous. What is being said is that the pandemic claims are unsubstantiated and fake. That doesn’t mean people don’t die, just that it’s blown out of proportion to reality, with many if not most dying from other things. Surely, even in your sorrow, you can understand the difference beteeen dying with and dying from covid. Again that doesn’t mean covid doesn’t kill people on its own, it means the numbers are artificially inflated.

I’m sorry for your loss, but your story is anecdotal and doesn’t mean that everything claimed by the “experts” is true.


34 posted on 08/30/2021 9:36:34 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981, )
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To: Hman528
what is your problem? dont be a stupid idiot. hows that?

You again prove my point. You let your emotions get in the way of rational thought.
35 posted on 08/30/2021 9:36:42 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: Fractal Trader

EDs were lowering until last week. Which reflects 4 weeks ago, which was essentially when the delta surge began.

EDs are always hard to wrap your mind around. Whatever it says Wednesday is actually what happened 4 weeks ago. This past Wednesday the 85+ category rose from negative EDs to positive EDs and other age groups returned to last year’s positive ED levels.

Big event of some sort late July, which appeared only last week.

My goto selection is weekly deaths by age. There is no point in allowing the invulnerable 30 yr olds into the denominator. That’s like including men in a pregnancy rate.


36 posted on 08/30/2021 9:38:18 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Hman528

My wife is a retired nurse and department head at multilevel care facilities. Everywhere she worked I was a volunteer, and of course I participated in many transports over the years with very sick people. But it is a completely different experience when it is your loved ones who are sick and/or dying. We lost a couple people this year as well.


37 posted on 08/30/2021 9:39:01 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15

thank you, the virus and responses to it are all over the sprectrum, I know there is a political side to things which people resist, rightfully so, I resist the control as well, but there actually is a real virus that for certain people can be fatal. I just wanted to share this because I used to say stupid things about the virus like 99.99% people survive and other stupid things, but like I say when you have people you know die from the percentage doesnt matter anymore. and death causes you to stop saying those stupid things, and it also makes you cringe when you hear really dumb statements. I can’t make people change, unfortunately loss and heartache is what made me change. But I also know the Lord and understand that my in laws are in heaven and ultimately are better off, my father in law wouldnt be able to handle whats going on in our country


38 posted on 08/30/2021 9:41:35 AM PDT by Hman528
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To: CatOwner

As screwed up as the covid morbidity statistics are (80-90% false assignation according to the article), the “daily cases” numbers are even less reliable.

There are three reasons for this:

First, the tests are far from conclusive - the percent of both false positives and false negatives result in an unacceptable margin of error. Yet, the tests are reported as though they were bulletproof.

Second, changes in the daily cases numbers are driven in large part by the daily number of people tested. If twice as many people are tested today as yesterday, the number of cases might be double, even if there is no increase in positives as a percent of those tested. Yet, the statistic is simply reported as a nominal figure without qualification.

Third, the testing is far from random. People get tested for various reasons: they have symptoms, they were hospitalized, they may have been exposed, or they may be required to be tested. This is far from a randomized selection, so it tells us nothing about the true rate of spreading of the infection in the general population.

ALL of these statistical failings could easily be mitigated by proper statistical sampling, or by correcting other obvious flaws in how the data is collected, interpreted and reported.

Yet they are NOT mitigated - the grossly erroneous and misleading reporting of covid statistics continues - a year-and-a-half later.

That tells us one thing for sure: the powers-to-be do not want the public to get clear answers. They seem happy to keep public fears at a certain level. Why? I am pretty sure we know the answer:

Marxists never let a crisis go to waste. They manufacture and exploit a crisis in order to “justify” their mandates and to make the low IQ masses willing to “temporarily” give up their liberties.

I am amazed at how long it is taking people to wake up to what is happening.


39 posted on 08/30/2021 9:46:49 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Fractal Trader

My nephew died 07 Aug. Immediate cause of death is listed as Septic Shock, caused by secondary bacterial pneumonia, acute respiratory failure with hypoxia, all caused by Covid-19 pneumonia.

Put simply, his lungs were half-full of fluid, he was put on a respirator, ICU staff could not suction out the fluid so it solidified, his organs began to shut down because of lack of oxygen and his mother pulled the plug.


40 posted on 08/30/2021 9:46:53 AM PDT by jimtorr
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