Posted on 08/08/2021 3:58:26 PM PDT by BeauBo
(President Trump's Operation Warp Speed Update)
(Vaccinations strong again today - Cases, Hospitalizations and Death reporting on weekend lag)
Administered: 351,400,930 (13,674,107 J&J)
People Vaccinated, At Least One Dose: 194,866,738
Fully Vaccinated: 166,477,481
(Excerpt) Read more at covid.cdc.gov ...
“The impending covid vaccine failure“
“it’s already happening”
What specifically, is this purported failure?
Is it waning immunity, and/or ADE?
Cytokine Storm, genetic alteration, autoimmune reaction, thrombosis, myocarditis, dementia, multi-organ damage from spike proteins, or others?
BF is just throwing random turds at me for busting his balls on another thread. No harm.
Regarding Trump’s trust of those you mentioned, it’s surprising the betrayal was continuous without interruption. One might argue “Ignorance”, but that doesn’t add up either.
“can you produce any evidence that is consistent with the hypothesis that the vaccines are as safe as previous vaccines?”Really? You are having spamming conniptions about: "are as safe as previous vaccines?...?
I notice a paranoid consistency here...
I am hallucinating. David Chase is hallucinating.
Looks very much like you are hallucinations fixated because you had too many hallucinations yourself.
Not interested in further babysitting a burn-out insulting me with his weirdo hallucination spam.
BF is just throwing random turds at me for busting his balls on another thread. No harm.If the turd fits...
You didn't bust anything about me.
You obviously need to put some ice on that.
We’ve been over that, in addition to “waning immunity, and/or ADE” it could be spoiled vaccines like Hooman Noorchashmn mentions. He is a huge supporter of the vaccines but recognizes they are losing their effectiveness. He’s the first one I saw tie it to the relaxed storage requirements Pfizer asked the FDA to approve on May 19.
https://twitter.com/noorchashm
You don’t have balls? Apologies — thought you were a dude.
“I quoted the full paragraph of your statement bashing President Trump.”
You missed this part;
“Trump assumed people in government long term were long term because they were competent and trustworthy like in business. In business people are held accountable and the chaff gets separated. But not in government. Chaff gets promoted, case in point Biden. Trump should have brought in more business people and skipped long term politicians.”
“[hallucination]: “are as safe as previous vaccines?...?”
Yes. Now answer, if you can.
Weak.
I posted “You didn’t bust anything about me.”
Is there a local kindergarten to help you troll?
He’s amazingly obtuse.
It looks like the covid vaccines are not as safe as previous vaccines;
12,366 Covid vaccine death reports
1,950 influenza death reports
3,265 diphtheria death reports
8,677 death reports for all vaccines except covid
Keep in mind the covid vaccines have been in use for seven months. The other vaccines have been in use for decades with many 10s of millions more doses being given than the covid ones.
Adverse events other than deaths are even worse. It’s pretty clear something isn’t right. Separately from that think about all the goal posts that got moved for covid vaccine effectiveness since January - especially in the last few weeks. When you step back and really look at the big picture it doesn’t look good.
I hear ya.
Trump is obviously open to ideas, but he doesn’t seem to dive into the details — except for those vocational areas he knows well. And that’s normal for leaders — to delegate the details.
Trump was continuously betrayed — that’s not normal.
In the movie, the accountant immediately has second thoughts.
In real life, Donald Trump got to Washington as President, with a level of popularity that stunned the world, and everyone in Washington -- 100% -- decided to tab him in the back.
Says a lot about Washington. Billionaire Presidents with enormous popular support? Not scary to the political elite. They are only afraid of the people finding out the Truth.
“in addition... it could be”
So a fluid, and open ended set of possibilities. Whatever fits the failure narrative, apparently.
“We’ve been over that”
And you never nail it down to to a finite, specific, mechanism, that could be proven (or disproven).
You are stating that COVID vaccine (presumably the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna) failure is now occurring, with vague allusions to it becoming a catastrophic level event.
What is the mechanism(s)?
Own it.
Be specific.
Thursday will be the two weeks, since you posted Robert’s “ADE is happening” twitter post. The vaccinated are still a tiny share of COVID hospitalizations and ICU beds. Not much (no) enhancement that I have seen yet.
ADE would mean that the vaccinated are more likely to suffer severe disease. The opposite is the case.
“So a fluid, and open ended set of possibilities”
Yes it is, who expected masks to be recommended again for those with the vaccine. Quite a few developments have happened that people didn’t expect would happen a few months ago. That’s why it can’t be nailed down. Who knows what coming in the next few months. We do know boosters are.
“ADE would mean that the vaccinated are more likely to suffer severe disease. The opposite is the case.”
That isn’t settled yet. Like with Dengue Vaccine Failure bad effects can take 3-5 years to show up. And that vaccine was in development for many more years than the covid ones. There’s more not known about the potential effects of the covid vaccines than is known.
Dengue Fever itself produces ADE, when re-infected by a different strain - it is not unique to the vaccine.
“ So a fluid, and open ended set of possibilities”
“Yes”
Then it is simply not an intellectually objective position that you present.
It is not an objective concern that you raise, but rather any and all hypotheses that might support a subjective bias against COVID vaccines (or possibly all vaccines, I don’t know your position generally on vaccines).
That’s your subjective opinion about my position. It’s interesting your entire post is about me. Forget about me and my position and discuss the emerging data. Think about what we were told the vaccines would do back in January, and how much the goal posts have moved. It’s pretty stunning and is without a doubt “fluid, and open ended set of possibilities”.
“Forget about me and my position and discuss the emerging data.”
It is of course hard (Impossible) to discuss the data to any productive end, if there is not a specific thing we are looking for. There are multiple variables, and individual variables must be isolated to be tested.
All you do is cast aspersions, and then run away from them, and attempt to avoid accountability for their lack of merit, when actually examined. Throw a rock and run away. Oh that wasn’t me - that was this guy on twitter who said it. Well why post it, if not to make that same point?
My conclusion is that your objection to the vaccines is not objective or logical (unless the logic is to mislead, for some other motive).
There is no real grounding in principle or objectivity. Whatever fits the narrative, at the moment.
If it were to be objective scientific analysis, it would have to start with a clear statement of a testable hypothesis. That is what you repeatedly refuse to do, resorting to rhetorical maneuvers, like “we have been over that before” (when previous discussions never produced the clear hypothesis requested).
The ancient Greeks separated the study of logic from that of rhetoric, for good reason. Your arguments are at heart, simply rhetoric, in pursuit of a biased, pre-determined conclusion.
“My conclusion is that your objection to the vaccines is not objective or logical (unless the logic is to mislead, for some other motive).”
Why are your opinions about my conclusions so important to you? I post data, that you seem to not like, and then attack me personally.
It is a fluid situation, that is undeniable. And since it is fluid practically nothing can be nailed down. Back in January did you think the vaccinated would have the potential to spread covid just like the unvaccinated, boosters would be needed, and the vaccinated would need to masks again?
If you did link the posts.
"Herd immunity is not a possibility" because the Delta variant "still infects vaccinated individuals".
Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, says there is nothing "the UK can do to stop the emergence of new variants". pic.twitter.com/eCq1zXxBWc— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) August 10, 2021
“Back in January did you think the vaccinated would have the potential to spread covid just like the unvaccinated?”
I doubt they do.
Clearly, vaccinated people can get infected and transmit virus, but it also is pretty clear that they do not do it “just like the unvaccinated”. There is a strong vaccine effect on infection rates, viral loads, severity and duration.
“boosters would be needed?”
That is a pretty common phenomena with vaccines, and a reasonably likely outcome for any new vaccine.
“the vaccinated would need to masks again?”
That is a political decision.
“Why are your opinions about my conclusions so important to you?”
I have shown you the respect to engage you intellectually on the matters you post, but you have lost credibility with me, due to evasively refusing to state the mechanism(s) of action for what you claim is (or soon will be) occurring, as well as posting dubious sources.
I’ve come to the assessment that you lack credibility. That is important to me, in determining how much time and effort to allocate to your posts.
“I post data, that you seem to not like, and then attack me personally.”
Attacking the quality (veracity) of your arguments is not attacking you personally (ad hominem). It is what should be done in the normal scientific process - Hypothesis, Antithesis, Synthesis.
“I doubt they do.”
Fauci clearly said they do, that’s why mask wearing was recommended for the vaccinated.
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