It seems to me that a demonstration of BEC formation in conjunction with excess heat production, or any other manifestation of nuclear activity (neutron generation, tritium generation, gamma ray flux, etc.) would be a game-changer for LENR.
A "linear BEC" sounds rather like the "hydroton" model of Edmund Storms, at least to one who's knowledge of the subject is as limited as mine. I see from what you've offered, and from a Google search, that there are many workers who are pursuing BEC-related theoretical explanations for LENR effects. I was not aware of this until now.
Also the Reifenschweiler effect is something I was completely unaware of, and is pleasantly obscure and therefore seems credible, yet another demonstration that there are things going on within condensed matter physics that might have an effect on nuclear processes even at relatively low temperatures and pressures.
All of which conspires to make the effort to strangle cold fusion in the crib all the more reprehensible, short-sighted, and antithetical to the scientific endeavor. Water under the dam, I suppose; many if not most of those who instigated it are retired. I know personally of one physicist who took part in the organized quashing effort who is now deceased. At his funeral, the faculty colleague who gave his scientific eulogy asserted that "if cold fusion ever turned out to be real, the physics researched by Professor "X" (the decedent) will be critical for explaining it."
I've always thought this was a rather odd way to eulogize someone who enthusiastically participated in the organized effort to discredit Pons and Fleischmann back 1989, almost seeming like a posthumous effort to hedge the bets of the dearly departed; perhaps this was as a result of second thoughts expressed by "X" during the years after the hubbub died down. "X" passed away in 2012, not long after he retired, so he had 23 years to think twice about the subject.
BTW, the area of interest of "X" was the production of large quantities spin-stabilized hydrogen, and the exploration of the physics of that phase of the element.
How would they demonstrate that it is a BEC?
A “linear BEC” sounds rather like the “hydroton” model of Edmund Storms, at least to one who’s knowledge of the subject is as limited as mine. I see from what you’ve offered, and from a Google search, that there are many workers who are pursuing BEC-related theoretical explanations for LENR effects. I was not aware of this until now.
***I proposed my theory on Vortex-L and Edmund Storms was an active participant. He couldn’t get past the notion that BECs just plain HAVE TO form at close to absolute zero even when it was plain to see that their temperatures of formation was rising. IIRC, the polariton room temperature formation of BECs came at around the time I was in correspondence with him on Vortex-L.
Eventually we came to a loggerheads when I was talking about laser application to LENR. Dr. Stephen Chu was Obama’s nobel-winning science advisor who won it by laser coooooling a group of atoms into a BEC. And Dr. Meulenberg & KP Sinha formed a LENR environment by shining a laser on THEIR experiment. Sinha told me by phone that he was COOLING the device by using the laser.
That was too much for Ed Storms. He broke off communication, soon afterwards he openly quit posting on Vortex-L. It seemed like he was stuck on thinking that lasers heat up things rather than can be used to cool them down.
I think that fact somehow negates his theory.
Also the Reifenschweiler effect is something I was completely unaware of, and is pleasantly obscure
***Yes it strikes me as very obscure as well, and possibly not even replicated.
and therefore seems credible, yet another demonstration that there are things going on within condensed matter physics that might have an effect on nuclear processes even at relatively low temperatures and pressures.
***Atoms don’t interact in the same way inside condensed matter, and I doubt the branching ratios of nuclear decay are the same, either.
All of which conspires to make the effort to strangle cold fusion in the crib all the more reprehensible, short-sighted, and antithetical to the scientific endeavor.
***Well, yeah. So you see my passion for digging into this.
Water under the dam, I suppose; many if not most of those who instigated it are retired. I know personally of one physicist who took part in the organized quashing effort who is now deceased.
***Planck’s observation that science advances one funeral at a time.
At his funeral, the faculty colleague who gave his scientific eulogy asserted that “if cold fusion ever turned out to be real, the physics researched by Professor “X” (the decedent) will be critical for explaining it.”
***I do not understand what you said here.
I’ve always thought this was a rather odd way to eulogize someone who enthusiastically participated in the organized effort to discredit Pons and Fleischmann back 1989, almost seeming like a posthumous effort to hedge the bets of the dearly departed;
***Oh, ok, I think I’m starting to understand.
perhaps this was as a result of second thoughts expressed by “X” during the years after the hubbub died down. “X” passed away in 2012, not long after he retired, so he had 23 years to think twice about the subject.
***Well, I think he was wrong to quash it. If it was so wrong it woulda died a Polywater type of death.
BTW, the area of interest of “X” was the production of large quantities spin-stabilized hydrogen, and the exploration of the physics of that phase of the element.
***Science is very territorial.
regarding “A “linear BEC” sounds rather like the “hydroton” model of Edmund Storms”
A Bose Einstein Condensate is when a group of atoms start acting like one atom, in concert.
Lots of hints that what’s going on in LENR is BECs. But the drawback is that BECs form at such low temperatures. So the trick is to find how BECs might form at higher temperatures, find evidence for it.
That evidence is slowly arriving.
A Linear BEC would be a linear formation of perhaps only a few atoms, acting in concert.
Here is where I think there might be an intersection with Ed’s model. When that vibrating linear BEC runs into an edge dislocation of the matrix... it BENDS the BEC. It stresses it such that 2 of the captured atoms fuse together because the Coulomb Barrier is so low inside the BEC.
Look at Figure 1. Scheme of edge dislocation loops in Pd containing condensed H/D.
I posted that article here
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3976833/posts