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The Triumphant March Toward 100% "Renewable" Electricity: Germany and California
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 28 Jul, 2021 | Francis Menton

Posted on 07/29/2021 4:49:19 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 07/29/2021 4:49:19 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

Many thanks to Francis Menton for allowing posting of his entire essays from his site “Manhattan Contrarian” as long as a link and attribution are included. The articles are always very insightful.


2 posted on 07/29/2021 4:49:33 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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I think California politicians are convinced that entrepreneurs, engineers and scientists have been “holding back” on green technology, no matter how fantastic, but will put out if the government just beats them with sticks, hard enough and long enough. So, put out by 2030, or else, you technology types! Because that’s how innovation works.


3 posted on 07/29/2021 4:56:59 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: MtnClimber

I think California politicians are convinced that entrepreneurs, engineers and scientists have been “holding back” on green technology, no matter how fantastic, but will put out if the government just beats them with sticks, hard enough and long enough. So, put out by 2030, or else, you technology types! Because that’s how innovation works.


4 posted on 07/29/2021 4:56:59 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: MtnClimber

If you use the 2019 numbers for Germany, an average 3-person home pays around 88.7 Euro ($105) monthly. Note, Germans don’t heat their homes with electricity or use AC units for cooling, so this is for plain regular home usage. You can also use the 1998 cost rate, and it’s 78-percent more.

So your German trend line, looking just ten years in the future, will be more than $150 for plain regular power. Chief reason? Coal plants will decrease, and nuke power is turned off in 2030. Wouldn’t shock me if the rate was near $200 a month (for just plain regular power).


5 posted on 07/29/2021 5:01:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: MtnClimber

California needs enough electricity for highways packed with electric cars.

Having 100% renewable electricity but only a third of what is needed is a good way to ensure the California economy collapses.

California probably needs more natural gas-fired generating facilities so it can broadly use electric cars. Over their lifetime, electric cars will have far less CO2-related emissions.


6 posted on 07/29/2021 5:02:46 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: pepsionice

Electric rates are about 25 cents per kilowatt hour in Germany and about 10 cents per kilowatt hour in much of the US.


7 posted on 07/29/2021 5:05:12 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: pepsionice

I’m almost positive that Germany imports a lot of electricity from France that is coal-fired. And lots of French nuclear energy.


8 posted on 07/29/2021 5:07:25 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful!)
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Here is an idea. Pick a city of 500,000 people. Turn the entire city green. Every product that will be part of the city cannot contain petroleum products. Infrastructure and transportation has to run on renewable energy. This must be done within two years of adopting the plan.

The city will be monitored for five years. This includes “climate.” If after five years the climate in the city changes, a city of 1,000,000 people will now be tried. And on and on.


9 posted on 07/29/2021 5:14:26 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (I got the shot. Not because I wanted to. Because I had to, in violation of my civil rights.)
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To: MtnClimber

If wind and solar power are soooooo great then why are taxpayers forced to subsidize them sooooo heavily? After February’s deep freeze ask Texans how “great” wind and solar power are.


10 posted on 07/29/2021 5:15:11 AM PDT by nagant
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To: MtnClimber

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts


11 posted on 07/29/2021 5:17:23 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

Renewable energy: the new state religion in some places.


12 posted on 07/29/2021 5:17:37 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (A world in which dogs write poetry is more believable than the world as seen through the Media)
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To: 21twelve

Once you say the key phrase of renewable energy...its up around 60-percent that is imported. I think for nuke power (at least presently), it’s around 25 to 30 percent that is imported.


13 posted on 07/29/2021 5:17:56 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: rightwingcrazy

Non-technical people always think that its just an engineering problem.
I tell them: “All the simple things have already been solved”
Right now, unless we can solve the crucial fusion energy issues, we are in real trouble in the long term.


14 posted on 07/29/2021 5:18:49 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I say the District of Columbia is a perfect test city.


15 posted on 07/29/2021 5:20:09 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

The Texas blackout this last February was caused in part by too much reliance on wind and solar, and not enough back up by on-demand carbon-fueled powerplants. Which also had their problems due to a lack of sufficient winterization, and lack of winterization of the natural gas wells and collection and distribution systems feeding them.

You can’t run the modern civilization we’ve come to expect on wind and solar. That large portions of the populace have been propagandized to believe you can is a real problem.


16 posted on 07/29/2021 5:26:43 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Much of the U.S. gets electricity for about 10¢/kwh ? Boy, I wish I could! We are paying about twice that here in Midwest flyover country. Of course our provider quotes a much lower rate, but as always the devil is in the details. The lower rate is only figured after you use a certain amount of electricity; it is a sliding scale. So, while they advertise low rates, they are in effect lying as to actual costs. So much for truth in advertising!


17 posted on 07/29/2021 5:28:18 AM PDT by oldtech
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“A study conducted by Northwestern University in the US found that modules made by world’s biggest panel manufacturing country have about 30 percent lower energy efficiency in production and a carbon footprint about twice as high as modules produced in Europe or North America”

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/resources-and-recycling-needs-germanys-solar-panels


18 posted on 07/29/2021 5:37:24 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

“Annual Average Price per Kilowatthour by State
(Lowest to Highest Rate as of 2019)”

https://neo.ne.gov/programs/stats/inf/204.htm


19 posted on 07/29/2021 5:41:49 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: rightwingcrazy

They learned their lesson when the oil companies suppressed the 100 mpg carburetor for decades.


20 posted on 07/29/2021 5:42:26 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Criminal democrats kill babies. Do you think anything else is a problem for them?” ~ joma89)
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