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Thank You For Your Service (A Moment of Truth) It's Never Too Late To Appreciate Overlooked Veterans, e.g. Vietnam Vets and others [2 Minute Video - Important]
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| May 25, 2012
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Posted on 07/23/2021 3:46:52 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
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posted on
07/23/2021 5:44:51 AM PDT
by
KobraKai
To: ransomnote
Yes. I was there when you said, “Shaddup, moron.”
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posted on
07/23/2021 5:53:03 AM PDT
by
ransomnote
(IN GOD WE TRUST)
To: KobraKai
"Shaddup, moron."Ah yes: the well-considered response that so clearly proves the point - that all those Vietnam Veterans were jerks and you were the only one that conducted himself with nobility and grace.
Not too obvious, right?
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posted on
07/23/2021 6:18:22 AM PDT
by
Chainmail
(Frater magnus te spectat)
To: Dusty Road
I'll improve on your stats just a little: of the men who served in Vietnam as volunteers or draftees, roughly 80-90% served in Combat Support or Combat Service Support capacities (Combat Support - artillery, armor, air support, etc. Combat Service Support - logistics, maintenance, motor transport, airfield support, etc.) Because the war was 10,000 miles away from home, we had a much higher requirement for support troops to keep things running for the combat forces - the 10-20% carrying rifles and machine guns. The running joke was "this is the first time in history that the dragon is 10% teeth and 90% tail".
the men in the infantry had very high casualty rates and my analysis is that the average time for an infantryman to be wounded or killed was about one and half months. In our case in the Marines, it meant that everyone in the rifle companies were wounded at least once in their tours (you could not throw an M26 frag grenade in open ground far enough to avoid being hit by your own frags, for instance)
That means that far fewer of our surviving Vietnam Vets were actually in direct combat - and we are dying off faster because of the residuals of wounds, the diseases we caught out in the fields and the poisons the Air Force so thoughtfully sprayed uphill of us while we filled our canteens downstream (I have had aggressive prostate cancer and so has every single surviving member of my rifle company).
One of our responders commented that the Vietnam Veterans he knew were uniformly cranky - I'm sure that he's messed up but given the incredible heat, humidity, rate of diseases, rate of death and injuries that we had (plus a very close to 100% "Dear John" Rate), and the rousing treasonous reception we got when we got back - maybe a little crankiness is in order?
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posted on
07/23/2021 6:41:41 AM PDT
by
Chainmail
(Frater magnus te spectat)
Americal Division..Duc Pho, Chu Lai, Khe Sahn, artillery officer, forward observer, fire direction officer…’70-‘71…
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posted on
07/23/2021 6:49:06 AM PDT
by
TnTnTn
To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; ...
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posted on
07/23/2021 7:02:28 AM PDT
by
bitt
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To: Chainmail
You are talking about a situation you weren’t an eye witness too. That makes you the aforementioned ‘moron’. Not all Viet Vets are jerks, I work for one, and he’s a great guy. He’s not fake either, he was there in ‘65.
The point is, I will treat pretty much anybody with the same respect shown me. Be nice until it’s time to not be nice. Let’s see how your brain works, I’ll give you another anecdote: I was in Florida last December for vacation. In a Publix grocery store, some woman decided to chide me for not wearing my mask over my nose. I promptly told her to piss off and call the police if it bothered her that much. Was my response wrong?
I am not someone that is ‘nice no matter what’, that’s the kind of cuckholdry that has gotten this country where it is. And that goes for Vietnam veterans too, you think you can just have a chip on your shoulder about your service and be a jerk and blame PTSD, that doesn’t mean I have to show you respect and be nice no matter what.
It’s the entire Vietnam generation that has led this country to the breaking point as it is. My grandfathers left us a great country to build, now the John Kerry’s and John McCains ruined everything.
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posted on
07/23/2021 7:45:45 AM PDT
by
KobraKai
To: ransomnote
Untreated trauma and PTSD, social rejection, years of isolation and blame can do that. They were randomly drafted so its not like unsavory people became soldiers. They were younger, their lives trashed, and returned to be treated like trash. The ones I have known have been more reserved that most, but good men.
.........
Exactly right. I belong to a group of vets and first responders. We have a thing called The Word Retreat that we take them on for 3 days, at no cost. Amazing things happen when they hear from other Veterans who have got healing from these things. I sat next to one guy who was on the verge of suicide, who now is a team leader.
In the past vets did not have treatment and still don't. The family life for many of them was horrible. Most people did think they were just dicks, but they usually didn't know why, and the families suffered, the children and wives grew up traumatized. But that does not need to happen.
Many are able to hide and suppress the past, but it always has some form which troubles them thru their life. But the good news there is healing available.
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posted on
07/23/2021 7:51:49 AM PDT
by
norsky
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To: KobraKai
If the worst thing any of our number did to you is yell at you for speeding, count yourself lucky - and work on toughening up a little.
It's obvious from your writing that you have issues - my guess? With pretty much everybody - you blow up because some lady asks you to stick your nose back in the mask? Just a little sensitive, aren't we?
Blaming Vietnam Veterans for what happened to our country is hilarious: we were the ones that accepted the call, took the risks, paid the price(s) - it was the layabout know-it-all enemy-supporting draft dodgers who wrecked and are still wrecking things.
I would say that the main reason you don't get along with us is mainly because you don't get along with too many people. You would do well to self-examine and adjust.
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posted on
07/23/2021 8:12:34 AM PDT
by
Chainmail
(Frater magnus te spectat)
To: Chainmail
Bingo
Sounds like a typical millennial, knows nothing yet is so sure of himself.
Smart people generally have doubts keep an open mind everything, while dumb people are full of confidence.
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posted on
07/23/2021 8:17:53 AM PDT
by
Mr. K
(No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
To: Chainmail; ransomnote
Aha! it was ransomnote! should have guessed. Has no clue how to act in a civilized manner, and then calls anyone who disagrees with him names.
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posted on
07/23/2021 8:19:46 AM PDT
by
Mr. K
(No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
To: ransomnote
Thank you for thanking me!
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posted on
07/23/2021 9:18:30 AM PDT
by
JimRed
(TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
To: KobraKai
“Most Vietnam vets I come across are dicks.”
You a millennial?
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posted on
07/23/2021 11:59:52 AM PDT
by
doorgunner69
("Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.." -Joseph Stalin)
To: Dusty Road
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posted on
07/23/2021 3:55:52 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(I have kleptomania, but when it gets real bad, I take something for it.)
To: stylin19a
To: Mr. K; ransomnote
re: ransomnote...scratching my head....not sure what you are talking about.
do you think you might have misread her posts?
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posted on
07/23/2021 4:17:15 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(I have kleptomania, but when it gets real bad, I take something for it.)
To: Dusty Road
hey...thanks for that. i’ll look at it as I can
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posted on
07/23/2021 4:28:18 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(I have kleptomania, but when it gets real bad, I take something for it.)
To: Laslo Fripp
People were petitioning the FEDs to have names added to the Vietnam Memorial. The US kept revising the start date backwards, so some of those names were added...
In 1998 the Feds decided that the official start date was November 1, 1955.
(I don’t know if it’s still considered the official start date.)
So I can understand how the number of Viet Era vets increased.
Some say the war started in 1954. The first casualty was considered to be in 1945 - Lt. Col A Peter Dewey.
For a Viet Vet to be eligible for VA health benefits, the VA considers In-Country service between January 9, 1962, and May 7, 1975.
The VA now considers service in Korea during the Viet-Nam era as being eligible for Agent Orange disability benefits.
So when did the war start?
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posted on
07/23/2021 4:58:01 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(I have kleptomania, but when it gets real bad, I take something for it.)
To: Dusty Road
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posted on
07/23/2021 5:07:34 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(I have kleptomania, but when it gets real bad, I take something for it.)
To: stylin19a
I believe this is kind of like the Vietnam Era Vet and the Vietnam Vet. From what I can tell there was only 1.8 million that actually served in country. Almost 6 million served during the Korean war but only 1.8 served in country.
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