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Men accused of Whitmer kidnapping plot say FBI set them up: report
The Hill via MSN ^ | 7/20/21 | Lexi Lonas

Posted on 07/21/2021 3:45:32 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: Travis McGee

Link to Posobiec above:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1417678895579648003


21 posted on 07/21/2021 4:56:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Libloather

> informant rose to second in command of the group and paid for travel for members

In a just world, that would immediately clear everyone with the possible exception of the top guy.


22 posted on 07/21/2021 4:58:01 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (Socialism requires slavery.)
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To: Libloather

Is this the same FBI that so freely shared information with the Clinton Crime Family against their enemies, both foreign and domestic?


23 posted on 07/21/2021 5:14:44 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: wally_bert

Still engaging in the same tricks and far worse


24 posted on 07/21/2021 5:15:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Libloather

I wondered at the time it happened: who is it that wants her bad enough to pay ransom for her return? Maybe her husband, maybe. Other than that there would have been silent rejoicing throughout the state of Michigan.


25 posted on 07/21/2021 5:20:19 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Libloather

The fbi is a criminal organization masquerading as law enforcement.


26 posted on 07/21/2021 5:22:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (To find out who really rules you, find out who you're not allowed to criticize. Voltaire. )
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To: Joe Boucher
Gee, seems to be a usual way for FBI clowns to work.

Yup, the standard MO is to latch on to some drunk, half-retarded loudmouth in a bar who would never be taken seriously or have the ability to do anything, and then enable them by giving them everything they could never get themselves to do something bad and encourage them to do it.

It never apparently occurs to them to drag them into a corner and say, "We're Feds and we're on to you, so start behaving."
27 posted on 07/21/2021 5:22:56 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: LIConFem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

(derived from COunter INTELligence PROgram) (1956–1971) was a series of covert and illegal[1][2] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.

...The FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception; however, covert operations under the official COINTELPRO label took place between 1956 and 1971.[12] COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination.[13][14][15][16] The FBI’s stated motivation was “protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order”.[17]

...Illegal surveillance
The final report of the Church Committee concluded:

Too many people have been spied upon by too many Government agencies and too much information has been illegally collected. The Government has often undertaken the secret surveillance of citizens on the basis of their political beliefs, even when those beliefs posed no threat of violence or illegal acts on behalf of a hostile foreign power. The Government, operating primarily through secret and biased informants, but also using other intrusive techniques such as wiretaps, microphone “bugs”, surreptitious mail opening, and break-ins, has swept in vast amounts of information about the personal lives, views, and associations of American citizens. Investigations of groups deemed potentially dangerous—and even of groups suspected of associating with potentially dangerous organizations—have continued for decades, despite the fact that those groups did not engage in unlawful activity.

Groups and individuals have been assaulted, repressed, harassed and disrupted because of their political views, social beliefs and their lifestyles. Investigations have been based upon vague standards whose breadth made excessive collection inevitable. Unsavory, harmful and vicious tactics have been employed—including anonymous attempts to break up marriages, disrupt meetings, ostracize persons from their professions, and provoke target groups into rivalries that might result in deaths. Intelligence agencies have served the political and personal objectives of presidents and other high officials. While the agencies often committed excesses in response to pressure from high officials in the Executive branch and Congress, they also occasionally initiated improper activities and then concealed them from officials whom they had a duty to inform.

Governmental officials—including those whose principal duty is to enforce the law—have violated or ignored the law over long periods of time and have advocated and defended their right to break the law.

The Constitutional system of checks and balances has not adequately controlled intelligence activities. Until recently the Executive branch has neither delineated the scope of permissible activities nor established procedures for supervising intelligence agencies. Congress has failed to exercise sufficient oversight, seldom questioning the use to which its appropriations were being put. Most domestic intelligence issues have not reached the courts, and in those cases when they have reached the courts, the judiciary has been reluctant to grapple with them.[92][93]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

In 1973, new information came to light about FBI operations targeted against Weather Underground and the New Left, all part of a series of covert and often illegal FBI projects called COINTEL.[22] Due to the illegal tactics of FBI agents involved with the program, including conducting wiretaps and property searches without warrants, government attorneys requested all weapons-related and bomb-related charges be dropped against the Weather Underground, including charges against Ayers.[23][24]


28 posted on 07/21/2021 5:35:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Libloather

I read that article. I thought it was interesting (terrifying) that FBI informants have coerced and threatened people into committing crimes and that not being enough to tank the case. The problem with the FBI going out of bounds (besides the obvious) is that it will end up making the jobs of future agents much more difficult.

Maybe they need to cease and desist with the Whitey Bulger type crap and let the cooler heads prevail in these organizations. That they do not do so has directly led to the polarization we see today, which disenfranchises the center and ensures that what is broken stays broken in Washington.


29 posted on 07/21/2021 5:35:48 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (Satan was the first libertarian.)
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To: Mouton

>>I really hope someone has a tape of the provacator saying something like this what we should do.

Wasn’t the CNN reporter in the Capitol 1-6-2021 telling the crowd to act up and “start some shhhh”?


30 posted on 07/21/2021 5:36:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: newnhdad

There was no attempt by the FBI to arrest the jihadists they recruited to kill the promoters of the “Draw Mohammed contest” in Irving Texas. The FBI agent watched from a car outside as his boys got gunned down by the hired security officer. The event organizers were never warned about the terrorist plot.


31 posted on 07/21/2021 5:38:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Joe Boucher

>>Course if the Trump family did anything the Clinton or Bidens have down they’d be criminally charged and put in solitary.

And the FIB would lie to make it so.


32 posted on 07/21/2021 5:39:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Libloather

It would only take one Federal Judge with balls to fix this, knowing what we know the Judge should give the FBI and US Attorney a choice in this Conspiracy Plot. I am giving you until Monday Morning to produce Indictments for all 12 of these accomplices you call informants, if you don’t I am dismissing all charges with prejudice, I will find you in Contempt of Court and am prepared to sanction you $10,000 and 120 days in Jail, I will immediately refer you for Permanent Disbarment. Regardless of your choice, I am referring all of you for Criminal Prosecution for Defrauding the Court and Conspiring to Violate the Civil Rights of these defendants.


33 posted on 07/21/2021 5:43:16 AM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: Libloather

I believe it. FBI is a wasteland.


34 posted on 07/21/2021 5:51:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: a fool in paradise

the same FBI that couldnt make a case against Bill Ayers


IIRC, they could make a case against Bill Ayers. The problem was the illegal surveillance they did which negated their case.


35 posted on 07/21/2021 5:56:38 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: BobL

Conspiracy?


36 posted on 07/21/2021 6:02:50 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Libloather

Richard Jewel.

Nuff said.

L


37 posted on 07/21/2021 6:03:29 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: trebb
Seems like the FBI often forms the core of such plots and then recruits folks to entrap...

yes! Instead of investigating and stopping actual terrorists, the FBI is now creating the terrorist plots the Democrat party needs. The GOP nominee for 2024 needs to clearly state they will clean house in the FBI from top to bottom.

38 posted on 07/21/2021 6:06:00 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: lepton

Illegal surveillance is that like lying on a FISA warrant application?


39 posted on 07/21/2021 6:20:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Libloather

I’d like to feel sorry for them,and I do believe it’s entrapment, but shouldn’t you get just a wee suspicious when one of your number starts paying your expenses?

If it seems odd, then it is odd.


40 posted on 07/21/2021 6:24:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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