Posted on 07/18/2021 12:26:43 PM PDT by ransomnote
ransomnote: I'm really greatful to Alex Berenson and Ran Israeli for reporting and translating this information detailing the rise of Covid in Israel, which is occurring mostly among the vaccinated (green, in first charts on the left).
"Graphique très parlant: protection anticorps induits par vaccin est de 2 mois+12 jours. Pic infection secondaire plus fort chez vaccinés, sans doute par l'effet ADE et l'émergence de nouveaux variants. Échec patent de la vaccination dans cette épidémie, Mr Macron" L Montagnier pic.twitter.com/EVZTcSXpfj— jean-claude perez (@JCPEREZCODEX) July 18, 2021
https://telanganatoday.com/mass-vaccination-during-pandemic-historical-blunder-nobel-laureate
“The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants,” Luc Montagnier said in an interview”
Actually vaccinated or given worthless placebo pills?
It’s good to know the percentage breakout of “cases” between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. But what would be FAR better to know would be 1) how many new “cases” among the vaccinated there are per 100 thousand vaccinated Israelis and 2) how many new “cases” among the unvaccinated there are per 100 thousand unvaccinated Israelis. You know… so you’re comparing Apples to Apples. That helps with CLARITY OF THINKING.
“Cases”
How many are sick?
Any evidence of ADE?
Well unvaccinated but COVID recovered make almost none of the new delta version of the disease.
In short, natural immunity is 6.75x more protective against Delta variant than any of the vaccines.
That’s what I want to know. How many have any symptoms? How many are just testing positive?
I did read some research, which I can’t find now, that said forensically, ADE would look like Covid - the antibodies would be the same. It’s just the immune system would over heat.
In laboratory settings, they’d be more likely to know whether it was Covid or ADE because they’d know how the animals reacted the first time exposed, and they’d expect them to react better the next time. Instead, the immune systems reacted worse - so it’s deemed ADE.
Outside the lab, it’s likely just going to be called a variant, but I believe it’s ADE.
Meanwhile, in the real world...
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084
“The “percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the third wave when there were no vaccines,” Prof. Eran Segal, a computational biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science who advises the coronavirus cabinet, tweeted on Friday.
He said that even if the number of cases continues to increase, “many more cases will be needed than in the third wave to reach similarly high numbers of critically ill patients in the hospitals. This will contribute significantly to population-level immunity.” “
Also, the Pfizer vax may be showing to be somewhat less effective against Delta. not sure about that yet.
These are not breakout cases. These are the delta variant against which the vaccines don’t work or work poorly. It’s almost a separate disease.
How many are sick?
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numbers are in the tables, hospitalized, severely ill etc.
The report I’ve seen on that compared those vaxxed but without prev infection to those with prev infection -whether they were vaxxed or not.
Since Israel has a very high vax rate it follows that many/most of the ‘prev infected’ in the report were also vaxxed.
It’s been shown in in-vitro studies that being vaxxed (even just once) after a prev infection gives fantastic immunity.
Better than natural or vax alone. This seems to me to be real world proof of that.
“ In short, natural immunity is 6.75x more protective against Delta variant than any of the vaccines”
That’s quite possible but where did you get the 6.75 number from ?
I have some experience with the dengue shock syndrome - most of these delta + vaccinated people aren’t very sick, if they are sick at all.
It’s been shown in in-vitro studies that being vaxxed (even just once) after a prev infection gives fantastic immunity.Better than natural or vax alone.
As long as you are in-vitro it sounds like you should be fine 😃
Predicted.
True, LOL!
Which is why I’ve been waiting for real world evidence!
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