Posted on 07/17/2021 8:01:45 PM PDT by Tipllub
The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is “weaker” than health officials had hoped, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said on Friday, as over 1,000 people tested positive for coronavirus and more countries were added to the list of places to which Israelis will be banned from traveling.
“We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” Bennett said.
(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...
A big help would be putting the food pyramid, or whatever it is these days, back to eating like our grandparents ate; real food in modest quantities.
Seed oils weren’t popular in your grandparents’ era. The food wasn’t loaded with supplements.
Introduction of seed oils increased omega 6 fat consumption enormously and it’s harder to reduce this type of fat from one’s body.
Then there’s the high fructose corn syrup.
when we’re under food shortages we will have quite a few folks losing weight rather easily
What is this brouhaha about testing positive? How many percent of these are severely sick that they need to go to yhe hospital?
ok, looked at Israel.
60% vaccinated with one of two shots (at risk first).
according to NYPost today ‘critically ill’ 1.4% vs 4% pre-vax
Delta variant now 90% of all cases.
Starting today (Sunday) Israel is giving 3rd shot to at risk.
quoting reuters:
“Ran Balicer, chair of the government’s expert panel on COVID-19, said Israel had on average had about five severe cases of the virus and one death per day in the last week, after two weeks of zero deaths related to COVID-19.”
Quoting :news-medical.net referencing an Israeli study:
“comorbidities were more frequent in patients with vaccine breakthrough infections in comparison to a large case series on unvaccinated hospitalized patients – including hypertension, diabetes, heart failure, chronic kidney diseases, chronic lung diseases, dementia and cancer. Moreover, 40% of the patients were immunocompromised.” Mortality at 22%
link to study:
https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(21)00367-0/fulltext
quoting Times of Israel:
“Much of the recent contagion in Israel has been among under 12s”
Where have you been? Israel is the gold standard in population percentage vaccination ... The 'brouhaha' is the vaccinated are still getting the COVID related variants... Even the newly and improved elected prime minister declared 'vaccination' are NOT the answer.
and, to add, from one of the articles, SoAfrican (beta) variant is starting to appear in Israel (which is still open for tourism), possibly incoming from Spain?
The promise of the vaccine (assuming we can call them that) is NOT that you will be 100% protected from infection, but that even if you do get infected, the symptoms will either be mild to non-existent and that you will absolutely NOT DIE of Covid.
So based on this, I want to know the condition of these post-vaccinated, positive tested people. Are they burdening hospitals? How many have died?
You looked at the Fauci version of Israel wherein they say things like, “Vaccines are working and slowing the pace — this should be emphasized — but vaccines alone are not able to stop the spread of the Delta variant.”
In reality, vaccines are not working, but instead are suppressing immunity and exacting a heavy toll.
Other viral illnesses are suddenly rising ‘unexpectedly’ and FAKE NEWS reports that portray vaccines as ‘working’ are exposed by real world data.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/308900
Israel has been touted as the gold standard in vaccine administration. Make up your own mind.
That “ sick weak cold” landed me in the ICU for 7 days a couple of weeks ago. I nearly died. I am home right now with supplemental oxygen.
I am an extremely healthy 52 yo woman with no co- morbiditys but being slightly over weight.
I have taken supplements religiously for over 10 years. I do Beachbody workouts in my garage.
Look, I know there are many lies going on about the virus and vaccines, but don’t try to minimize what it has done to many people. Including a healthy person like myself.
As a survivor of the Chinese plague, where do think you contracted the spiked protein? What geographical area of the US did you contract the plague? Were you vaccinated prior to hospitalization?
Sorry to hear. Glad to hear that you are out of ICU and that you are starting to feel better. I hope you make a full recovery soon.
It’s none of my business but did you get a vaccine? Just wondering.
Take care.
63% effectiveness is against the *delta* variant.
The 88% in England (Astra Zeneca) and 93% efficacy in the US (Pfizer) is for the original Covid. That is something that was known already. What remains to be seen is how effective the current vaccines are against the delta variant in the US.
We’re you vaccinated ? Did the doctors tell you if you had the delta or the original Covid ?
I am going to guess you were not vaccinated because regardless of which variant it was ( delta or original), in someone healthy like you the vaccine should have prevented severe disease.
well, to be fair, I gave yu a crosssection of what was being published today, Fauci wouldn’t admit to half of it
I do agree with the doctor, tho. People need to be self aware and keep up the handwashing and sanitizer. Israel says they’re 60% vaccinated but that’s only half-vaccinated - one shot. That’s not full protection - that’s about 40% protection. For P and M, ‘fully’ vaccinated is 2 shots plus 14 days (6 weeks start to finish). And we shoudn’t lump all vaccines in the same bucket. J&J is different from P and M and they are different from Novavax, etc.
The Israeli study I linked pointed to multiple (bad) comorbities, male 71 or over, poor immune response on a good day, as the main indicator of poor outcome. That hasn’t changed from day 1. People in very poor health are like a car battery that can still run the radio but can’t spark the starter. Fighting a systemic disease like CCPvirus requires all the horses shoed and running. It’s Nature at its base truth.
re: unexpected viral illnesses - well, what they haven’t really mentioned is, Israel has been letting their people play tourist for a month or so and is letting tourists in without quarantines. So yeah, folks being folks are going to be bringing viral disease back and it’s going to be brought in. Notice our flu season was mild? no chinese tourists. Wait and watch what happens when we open tourism back up!
re: supressing immunity - I don’t agree. The body can walk and chew gum at the same time. Now, if large numbers of 30-50yo’ds fully-vaccinated healthy no comorbidities start coming down with fungal and yeast diseases, I’ll change my mind. :)
There are no half measures once you sell your own people to PHarma to use for Phase III experimental trials without asking or telling them, or even letting them know the number of coins for which their bodies and futures were sold. No, Fauci wouldn't and hasn't admitted to half of it. These people are murderers and they aren't confessing. The Nuremburg Trials were to have put an end to all future contemplation of what they now eagerly do.
I do agree with the doctor, tho. People need to be self aware and keep up the handwashing and sanitizer.
The virus is about as lethal as the flu. It won't matter if they handwash and use sanitizer because the same people already sold their bodies to the same pharma, and they have no intention to cultivate survivors.
Israel says they’re 60% vaccinated but that’s only half-vaccinated - one shot. That’s not full protection - that’s about 40% protection.
This is biowarfare. The first shot is toxic, the next shot is worse. Israelies used government data to determine that during the 5 week 'vaccination' push, the elderly vaccinated died at a rate 40 times higher than the unvaccinated, and the young vaccinated died at a rate of around 240 times greater than unvaccinated. These are biowarfare toxins - no one should have one. No one should have been sold to Pfizer or forced to have these 'shots'.
For P and M, ‘fully’ vaccinated is 2 shots plus 14 days (6 weeks start to finish). And we shoudn’t lump all vaccines in the same bucket. J&J is different from P and M and they are different from Novavax, etc.
They are different means of injecting long acting toxins with horribly damaging spike proteins.
The Israeli study I linked pointed to multiple (bad) comorbities, male 71 or over, poor immune response on a good day, as the main indicator of poor outcome. That hasn’t changed from day 1. People in very poor health are like a car battery that can still run the radio but can’t spark the starter.
The main indicator of a 'poor outcome' is to be injected with biowarfare agents by those who sold you to pharma.
Fighting a systemic disease like CCPvirus requires all the horses shoed and running. It’s Nature at its base truth.
What worthless arguments. Injecting the 'vaccines' triggers a desperate fight on the part of the body to defend itself, resulting in initial immuno suppression and causing people to sicken or die of illnesses they would have otherwise survived if they are fortunate enough to escape initial strokes, heart attacks, paralysis, anaphylaxis, blood clots etc.
re: unexpected viral illnesses - well, what they haven’t really mentioned is, Israel has been letting their people play tourist for a month or so and is letting tourists in without quarantines. So yeah, folks being folks are going to be bringing viral disease back and it’s going to be brought in. Notice our flu season was mild? no chinese tourists. Wait and watch what happens when we open tourism back up!
This excuse making, like the way nursing homes excused rapid, serial, unexplained deaths throughout the facility with a wave of the hand and the words, "super spreader'. It requires no proof.
re: supressing immunity - I don’t agree. The body can walk and chew gum at the same time. Now, if large numbers of 30-50yo’ds fully-vaccinated healthy no comorbidities start coming down with fungal and yeast diseases, I’ll change my mind. :)
Following Chernobyl, International Health agencies reported that illness and death from all diseases went up. The bodies of the exposed were fighting radiation damage and too busy to fight off ordinary illnesses. Really, you're not even trying. It's well known that immunocompromised endure greater challenges. This is just a game for you - your strategy is 'devil's advocate'. You're playing for the Plandemic side.
I’m not so sure devil’s advocate is accurate as I tend more to post data to debate rather than commentary. But I admit I’m not into all the conspiracy theories based on half truths. It’s pretty simple for me - CCP Virus, born bred and distributed by the CCP for no other reason that CCP world economic dominance means the CCP needs to die. I’m not above believing they are releasing the variants, tho. No illuminati needed. End of problem. Attention back to the marxists and 2022 and prosecuting Fauci for malfeasance and coverup.
as to coins:
Here’s a breakdown from Motley Fool. JandJ and Novavax are selling at cost, about $10 each and expect to make a billion or two because of low market share (J&J stunted by bad batches/Novavax late to approval). P and M are selling just above cost and are projecting about 20 billion or more this year each on hundreds of millions of doses, those two holding most of the market share. If they stand a chance of any significant profit The Fool believes it would be in boosters that utilize the same tooling and equipment, same number of buyer countries, and public goodwill driving stock purchase imo.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/07/13/covid-19-vaccines-how-much-revenue-in-2021/
re: the virus is no more lethal than the flu:
I think the well-documented systemic problems that covid causes has already proved that a falsehood. The flu kills about 50K people a year, ballpark so that silly innocent little bug chant is obsolete by about 14 months.
re: biowarfare - undoubtedly. It strikes me as amazing that the conversation in America is on ‘big pharm toxics’ instead of CCP toxics and the hell of a job scientists around the world and especially in America and the UK have done trying to defeat this bug - Scientists that universally keep coming back to vaccines as the optimum solution to save large populations - and they have tested and retested hundreds of drugs. Speaking of which - truth- we don’t have the drug supply or the equipment or the staff that would be needed for everyone who would be hospitalized by the virus to be saved if we stayed at 4% mortality. NYC taught us that and LA confirmed it.
Some people may want to ride it out, and see if something better comes along, most don’t. It all comes down to one’s individual tolerance for risk, right? Do you go for some known protection at unknown future risk, or risk it all with no protection? People shouldn’t be belittled for their choice tho. Like telling them they’re putting poison in their body - or they’re a walking petri dish for not being vaccinated - that’s all too close to CCP/CIA mind-games propaganda for me.
as always, pleasant convo. Thanks.
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